More problems for the ID card bill?

[Paul]

Most banks are demanding photo ID for opening accounts these days due to the number of accounts being opened or accessed fraudulantly. A lot of banks refuse to recognise anything other than your full driving license or passport for identification.

[punky]

Originally Posted by Paul

Most banks are demanding photo ID for opening accounts these days due to the number of accounts being opened or accessed fraudulantly. A lot of banks refuse to recognise anything other than your full driving license or passport for identification.

Indeed. It would be nice if they wern't so damn easy to forge either.

[Graham]

Originally Posted by Chrysalis

LLoyds TSB are exactly the same. I think you dont realise how bad the extenct of needing photo id has become

When I changed my company from sole trader to limited company my bank (Nat West) wanted Photo ID.

My accountants recently told me that because of changing regulations (even though they *knew* me personally) I had to provide them with Photo ID.

In both these cases I pointed out that I did *not* have Photo ID and they accepted alternatives.

Today the situation has completely changed so many things need photo id and for the millions who drive or have passports they dont suffer from any problems since they always have photo id.

Which, again, is an argument *against* Photo ID, not *for* ID cards.

you can say to me all you want things like dont go for a job, open a post office account, dont apply for loans. Basically telling me and others who dont have photo id to not have a normal life for the sake of saving money, sorry I dont buy it.

I have paid taxes for dozens of things I dont care for but accepted it as its benefits some people in life, the ID cards will only benefit some people it is a fact of life. Please tell me why trivial things such as opening a bank account should only be for the priveledged.

But I am *not* saying this! I'm saying that Photo ID and ID cards are not a solution to these problems and never will be.

Bank accounts etc most certainly should not be "only for the privileged", but neither should we be forced into an accepting an ID card and the attendant National Identity Register (please don't forget that) simply because the government has pushed regulations that *require* photograpic ID onto banks etc.

[zoombini]

I just typed a reply.
then deleted it as this thread has turned out to be just another for/against argument like the previous thread.

After the commons debate on it are there any other bits of news about it?

[Chrysalis]

Well its an interesting debate and I do see the other side of it, the way it is been pushed through isnt perfect which I will admit, I think it would be better for sure if it started of as a voluntary scheme.

[ntluser]

Originally Posted by Chrysalis

Well its an interesting debate and I do see the other side of it, the way it is been pushed through isnt perfect which I will admit, I think it would be better for sure if it started of as a voluntary scheme.

Might be an idea to make a sample and release it to the online "Hacker" community and see how quickly they could come up with a working copy, because once the millions are paid out to implement this scheme, the money will all be wasted if someone can make copies or produce new ID cards to specification.

[Matt D]

The Indy's "Sketch" had some good bits today about yesterday's debate:

http://comment.independent.co.uk/col...icle295475.ece


I quite like the "Irish question"...something the govt still haven't given a real answer for...

Quentin Davis put the Irish anomaly in very clear terms. We have a passport-free agreement with Ireland and they ain't going to have ID cards. We'll all have to carry a card; foreigners will have biometric passports - but Irish men and women won't have to have any documentation at all. Wasn't that "a hole" in the arrangement?

"I don't think it is a hole," he [Charles Clarke] said.

[Angua]

The reasons I have been asked for ID lately have been: -
1) To register with a recruitment agency passport required (quite happy with 5 year out of date one).
2) To get a mortgage, utility bill and driving licence (really wanted the paper sort but took photo one, would have wanted more but mortgage is with same as current account). Told this ID was required to prevent money laundering.
3) Change of address for Crib League savings account, insisted on "paper" driving licence with new address on.

These have all been within the last year.

I feel that unless and until they can make these secure and un-copyable the whole system will remain fundamentally flawed. Those of us who don't drive and who want ID can get a passport as at present which will do me fine until the criteria above are met.

I would be looking for someone in America to be pulling the strings of Mr B as it does not feel like a particularly British thing to have. I am not sure how many security agencies they have in the US but I am given to understand it is into double figures. I for one do not want that over here thank you very much!

[SMHarman]

Photo ID for a fiver

http://www.portman-group.org.uk/campaigns/52.asp

[Graham]

Originally Posted by Angua

I would be looking for someone in America to be pulling the strings of Mr B as it does not feel like a particularly British thing to have. I am not sure how many security agencies they have in the US but I am given to understand it is into double figures. I for one do not want that over here

Except that the US has said that a) they are *not* going to have ID cards introduced and b) they are expected to ditch the idea of biometric passports anyway...!

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/06...bio_passports/

[Angua]

Originally Posted by Graham

Except that the US has said that a) they are *not* going to have ID cards introduced and b) they are expected to ditch the idea of biometric passports anyway...!

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/06...bio_passports/

Typical. They cannot upset their own citizens! Perhaps we are being used as Guinea Pigs for a US system. (too much conspiracy therory for reality I hope).

[Chrysalis]

Originally Posted by SMHarman

Photo ID for a fiver

http://www.portman-group.org.uk/campaigns/52.asp

Interesting although I dont think they would be accepted since it doesnt show current address.

[Matt D]

Originally Posted by Angua

I am not sure how many security agencies they have in the US but I am given to understand it is into double figures. I for one do not want that over here thank you very much!

The US Intelligence Community contains 15 members, although not all of those are pure intelligence/security agencies.

[Rob M]

Originally Posted by Matt D

The US Intelligence Community contains 15 members, although not all of those are pure intelligence/security agencies.

Does that mean they could only find 15 people intelligent enough?

Oh, I see what you mean now.....

[Matt D]

Originally Posted by Raistlin

Does that mean they could only find 15 people intelligent enough?

Oh, I see what you mean now.....

http://www.intelligence.gov/

Consists of the CIA, NSA, DIA, NRO etc., plus also the FBI, & the intelligence parts of other departments (State, Energy, the various armed forces) & others.

The CIA director used to be (as DCI - Director of Central Intelligence) the titular head of the IC, & was charged with overseeing the entire "community" as well as actually running the CIA. Recent changes, brought about due to the 911 commission, removed the position of DCI & created a new post of "Director of National Intelligence" (DNI) to solely head up & oversee the whole IC (& the CIA director is now simply "Director of the CIA" rather than DCI).

The Deputy DNI used to be (99-05) the NSA director. The DNI himself (Negroponte) is a bit controversial... http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/sh...ght=negroponte


Hmm. Gone quite off topic now!

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