just 5 years for terrorising a pensioner

[paulyoung666]

link , it beats me , and also why the hell did their defence reckon they deserved credit for pleading guilty and saving the poor bloke from going to court , defence lawyers must be lmost as bad as the scum they defend

[Tuftus]

This country.

[Stuart C]

Originally Posted by paulyoung666

link , it beats me , and also why the hell did their defence reckon they deserved credit for pleading guilty and saving the poor bloke from going to court , defence lawyers must be lmost as bad as the scum they defend

While I agree that he deserved jail, and didn't deserve credit, defence lawyers get paid to do a job. They don't necessarily agree a person is innocent, but in law, we *are* always entitled to a defence lawyer, so some lawyers have to defend people they don't agree with.

[paulyoung666]

i suppose you are right , its just a shame that they have to defend scum like this

[allieyoung666]

They do not deserve anyone to represent them, I could not reperesent a person like this, I have a conseince.

Originally Posted by allieyoung666

They do not deserve anyone to represent them, I could not reperesent a person like this, I have a conseince.

Oh gods, here we go again...

And I have a belief in *Justice* and one of the first things that is required for justice to exist is a *FAIR TRIAL*, this involves the accused being presumed innocent and having the right to defend themselves or have someone defend them instead of a lynch mob saying "we think they're guilty, let's string them up".

And how would your conscience feel if someone was sent to jail or even executed because they *didn't* get a fair trial, and then you later found they were innocent? Don't forget that, thereby, the *guilty* party would have got away with it!

We have systems like this for a good reason.

*Never* forget that.

[paulyoung666]

Originally Posted by Graham

Oh gods, here we go again...

And I have a belief in *Justice* and one of the first things that is required for justice to exist is a *FAIR TRIAL*, this involves the accused being presumed innocent and having the right to defend themselves or have someone defend them instead of a lynch mob saying "we think they're guilty, let's string them up".

And how would your conscience feel if someone was sent to jail or even executed because they *didn't* get a fair trial, and then you later found they were innocent? Don't forget that, thereby, the *guilty* party would have got away with it!

We have systems like this for a good reason.

*Never* forget that.

yep here we go again , scum supported by ppl who know they are scum who if they have a clever enough lawyer get away with being scum because their brief comes up with *****e like ' well at least the poor b@stard who was terrorised wont have to stand up in court ' , real big of them and the brief wasnt it , i know where you are coming from but the crap they spout p!sses me off summat rotten , i wonder how some defence lawyers sleep at night , it must take some heavy duty sedatives in my opinion

Originally Posted by paulyoung666

[...] i know where you are coming from but the crap they spout p!sses me off summat rotten , i wonder how some defence lawyers sleep at night , it must take some heavy duty sedatives in my opinion

Personally I prefer to live in a country where the system is designed to prevent the innocent from being jailed, rather than to lock up anyone who might be guilty.

I also prefer a system which is not based on whether the defendants are "scum" or not according to someone's personal prejudices.

Oh and just because the Defence Lawyer said something, doesn't mean that the Judge used that as a basis of his sentencing decision.

[Xaccers]

Assuming that a fair trial has been conducted, and this person is guilty, how do you feel about the length of sentence?

Originally Posted by paulyoung666

yep here we go again , scum supported by ppl who know they are scum who if they have a clever enough lawyer get away with being scum because their brief comes up with *****e like ' well at least the poor b@stard who was terrorised wont have to stand up in court ' , real big of them and the brief wasnt it , i know where you are coming from but the crap they spout p!sses me off summat rotten , i wonder how some defence lawyers sleep at night , it must take some heavy duty sedatives in my opinion

And how precisely do you sleep at night? You're the one happy to destroy the legal system in this country just to satisfy your own petty sensibilities of right and wrong. Or do you have some crystal ball that magically allows you to determine guilt and innocence with 100% accuracy?

And frankly, what is the point of threads such as these? I normally avoid posting to them for very good reasons, but your ill-informed rhetoric was just too much to bear. I`m sorry, but threads such as these strike me as little more than the hand-wringing of middle England. I find them symptomatic of this bizarre notion we have these days that people should latch onto any communal grief they can find.

My honest answer, these threads are nothing more than a d*ck waving exercise to see who can consume as much as possible of the communal grief pie. I agree that a case such as this is unfortnate, and the person involved should not have been put through this ordeal. However, it is disrespectful of this pensioner for the "string 'em up" brigade to use cases such as these in this manner. Sure, it pushes all the right "emotional" buttons, and I guess at the end of the day as long as you have this angle covered then reason is redundant.

I`m not going to post to this thread again. I had zero interest in posting with regard to the inital discussion, but crazy talk such as yours shouldn`t pass without a rebuttal.

Originally Posted by Xaccers

Assuming that a fair trial has been conducted, and this person is guilty, how do you feel about the length of sentence?

I am not a Judge. I have not heard the full facts of the case, nor seen the evidence, nor attended the trial, so any comments on the sentence would be based purely on hearsay.

I, at least, am aware of that. Others may not be.

However, going from what the article says "the victim had accepted that Wetherell was not responsible for his "manhandling", and that he was not the aggressor and was sorry for what had happened."

As such, should he have been punished equally as harshly as the person who did commit these actions (the article doesn't give any details of the other person's sentence)?

[budwieser]

" A Stockton man has been jailed for five years for his part in a robbery that terrified his 71-year-old victim.

Terrence Wetherell, 38, of Dixon Street, Stockton, was sentenced yesterday after he admitted the robbery charge at Teesside Crown Court on April 20 - the day his trial was due to start.

Shaun Dodds, prosecuting, told the court that Wetherell, known as "Cocky", and another man went to the elderly man's home in Parliament Walk, Stockton, at around 1am on May 14, last year.

Wetherell was a friend of the old man's nephew.

The duo knocked at the door of the sleeping pensioner, but when the 71-year-old did not answer it quickly, the second man became angry.

Mr Dodds said: "As he made his way to the front door, the pair smashed a glass panel in the door allowing them to reach inside and turn the key."

The two men then subjected the pensioner to a terrifying ordeal, before leaving with only some crisps and food from his pantry.

A video statement made by the elderly man was played to the court.

He said: "They roughed me up a bit and searched me. I wet myself I was that frightened."

The victim said he was "manhandled" and "frog-marched" into his bedroom, where the second attacker "pushed him on his bed" and searched for money.

The pensioner described the second man as "aggressive" and like a "wildcat".

But he said that Wetherell was calmer and "half-apologised" when the duo finally left.

Kate Dodds, defending, told the court the victim had accepted that Wetherell was not responsible for his "manhandling", and that he was not the aggressor and was sorry for what had happened.

She said Wetherell deserved credit for sparing the elderly man the "ordeal of reliving the event in court" by pleading guilty.

Judge Peter Armstrong jailed Wetherell - who has "Cocky" tattooed around his throat - for five years, saying the attack in the man's home was "so serious only custody can be justified"."

Both as Guilty as F**k!! Shoot the C**** so they don`t do it again!
Harsh but only what they deserve.
__________________

Originally Posted by Graham

I am not a Judge. I have not heard the full facts of the case, nor seen the evidence, nor attended the trial, so any comments on the sentence would be based purely on hearsay.

I, at least, am aware of that. Others may not be.

However, going from what the article says "the victim had accepted that Wetherell was not responsible for his "manhandling", and that he was not the aggressor and was sorry for what had happened."

As such, should he have been punished equally as harshly as the person who did commit these actions (the article doesn't give any details of the other person's sentence)?

Why did they go to his house in the first place?
**** them, I hope they burn in Hell.!
People wouldn`t be so `Forgiving` or `Social worker mode` if it happened to their Grandad or Parents!

[allieyoung666]

My husband sleeps fine thank you very much and I do agree with everthing him and bud have posted. So why dont you go and represent scum bags the both of you. See how long you last as their solcitior, not very well probally. And you are right you are not a judge as I would feel sorry for the community I live in as you would probally let them all go free!

[Damien]

Theres one...

Oh theres another one.....

Few more over there....

He must be Guilty...

Justice. MOB STYLE....

Park on a double yellow line will ya! heres how we do things round here

[paulyoung666]

yep , and as said above , i wouldnt wish what has happened to anyone or their relatives on here , but , if something did happen then dont forget to forgive and let live , nuff said form me , i think i will let the do gooders carry on and spout the crap they want to , just remember , dont forget