Kids eh!

23-04-2005, 20:21

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/education/4472959.stm

"Pupils at six secondary schools in England are to be shown swearing, fighting and downloading porn in a documentary filmed with hidden cameras"

Kids swearing and fighting at school - never happened in my day. Of course there was now downloading in them days. Remember the revolution that was Ceefax though!

Whilst the world moves speedily apace, some things stay reassuringly constant.

Having said that, will be interesting to see if this programme (bearing in mind selective editing) will demonstrate that yoof of today is worse than my generation.

Coggy, if you're about, guess you might be well placed to comment.

kronas · 23-04-2005, 20:24

i read this earlier on today and i will be watching this program, some of the kids out there today who get everything they want and cry, b**ch, and moan every single moment also cause massive disruption to neighbours and school life for other kids should be excluded from every school and be made to be educated at the parents expenses separately.

this type of unruliness is unacceptable and stems from the upbringing and lack of discipline.

**Maggy J** · 23-04-2005, 20:41

I would like to state that the teacher concerned is NOT me...

I'm also wondering how they think they can get away with this secret filming of children in view of the strict rules about photographing or filming children without parental permission.

I can't so much as take a picture of a group activity without having to ok it.

23-04-2005, 20:55

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Originally Posted by Incognitas

I would like to state that the teacher concerned is NOT me...

I'm also wondering how they think they can get away with this secret filming of children in view of the strict rules about photographing or filming children without parental permission.
I can't so much as take a picture of a group activity without having to ok it.

Yeah, I was perplexed by that. My kids' school sends authorisation forms for everything. There's going to be a hell of a lot of pixellating going on in this programme.

punky · 23-04-2005, 21:05

All that happened a lot when I was at school. Not really in front of the teachers of course.

Swearing - Every other word. Even while teachers were around, so long as it wasn't directed at a teachre.

Fighting - not so much in school, but outside it was quite common. Pupils in my school used to arrange gang-fights with nearby schools Ilford County High used to like those.

Pornography - Not downloaded through the school obviously, but porn mags (and we aren't talking Fiesta and Razzle here), and this was when I was at prep school. While I was at my secondary, seriously hardcore stuff was swapped across the network, sometimes in computer lessons.

And this is at a private school! Gawd knows what happened at my local state schools.

None of this suprises me. Teachers' hands are so tied, and so overworked, that often there isn't much they can do. If they do find someone doing what they shouldn't be, they get expelled, and 99 times out of 100 they go before the school board, the old man forces the kid to say a fake appology, or he'll belt the crap out of him, and the board forces the school to re-take kide.

Swapping porno and swearing should be the least of people's worries about schools atm. Violence inside schools, with bullying, fighting, and the weapons kids take into school, is reaching unhitherto unseen, and almost uncontrollable levels. Drugs is also very common in schools. A few kids at my school drank during school sometimes. Its got a lot worse now with cannabis smoking and dealing, as well as alcohol nowadays. Half the time, teachers have no idea whats going on, its too easy to hide it from them.

BBKing · 23-04-2005, 21:11

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Its got a lot worse now with cannabis smoking and dealing

I've got seven years on you, punky, and several friends of mine were expelled (and many more suspended) for smoking dope on school premises (mid to late 1980s, rural Suffolk school). It's not a *now* thing per se. I'll ask my Dad what early-1960s inner city Birmingham religious schools were like - caning by nuns, if I remember his stories rightly. Suddenly a quick spliff sounds less damaging.

homealone · 23-04-2005, 22:17

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Originally Posted by BBKing

I've got seven years on you, punky, and several friends of mine were expelled (and many more suspended) for smoking dope on school premises (mid to late 1980s, rural Suffolk school). It's not a *now* thing per se. I'll ask my Dad what early-1960s inner city Birmingham religious schools were like - caning by nuns, if I remember his stories rightly. Suddenly a quick spliff sounds less damaging.

I've got another 20 -odd on that, BB - dope was readily available at my school, which was a grammar with a roll of about 600, 50 or so being boarders. I was a boarder from 1964 to 1970 - I was caned often, both figuratively & literally, but never by nuns

But I don't want to be sidetracked by that issue.

I have to say I agree with Incog about the 'secret' filming and I feel that is the main point for discussion, the 'kids of today' thing can go off in too many tangents....

25-04-2005, 10:15

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Originally Posted by andyl

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/education/4472959.stm

"Pupils at six secondary schools in England are to be shown swearing, fighting and downloading porn in a documentary filmed with hidden cameras"

Kids swearing and fighting at school - never happened in my day. Of course there was now downloading in them days. Remember the revolution that was Ceefax though!

Whilst the world moves speedily apace, some things stay reassuringly constant.

Having said that, will be interesting to see if this programme (bearing in mind selective editing) will demonstrate that yoof of today is worse than my generation.

Coggy, if you're about, guess you might be well placed to comment.

But God forbid we should bring back discipline to the schools.

To some kids the school environment was the only place the rules had to be obeyed and a certain level behaviour expected, because God knows they didn't have to at home.

Now teachers have be concerned about kids human rights etc,etc.

Some teachers have the hardest job in the world, and I wouldn't be one because if some little B@st@rd played up in my class and foul abusive to me, I'd no doubt be sacked for my actions.

25-04-2005, 10:28

Why did they put CD players up as something bad? I used to always listen to my CD player, as it helped me ignore the morons messing around and helped me get on with my work

jrhnewark · 25-04-2005, 16:58

Huh, there are plenty of hellish schools are - two of the three around here, for example.

The government seems to think that all is well with schools that get 35% or less in the league tables! HA! What do you think they're doing all day - studying? Bull****.

Those are failing schools - and the headteacher clearly isn't doing their job. Get rid of them.

orangebird · 25-04-2005, 17:00

Blimey. If I swore at/infront of a teacher, I get detention, and my parents would be informed. Then I'd really be in trouble. And that's why I behaved at school. It's a cliche, but it really is down to the parents.....

**Maggy J** · 25-04-2005, 17:28

Today a fellow teacher was reporting how the parents of pupil in his tutor group after being sent a letter about their daughter wearing make up in school (which is against the school rules) wrote back and asked if all the goths in the school(all 5 of them) had to remove their make up..Yes says the tutor of course,the rules are the same for everyone.

I thought about this and it seems to me parents really are not thinking anything through when it comes to discipline at home and in school.What the hell difference does it make that there are goths in the school as to whether their daughter is breaking the school dress code and should be punished for it.It's the very same thing the students always do to draw attention away from their misbehaviour to others thinking to distract staff away from their poor behaviour.

Pupil says "He's throwing paper too so why don't you tell him off?"
You say " You are the one I caught and as soon as I catch him I'll deal with him".

Pupil "But that's not fair he should get into trouble as well."

You say " but it is you I caught."

It's bad enough the kids trying the red herring form of distraction from their own misbehaviour but when the parents do it as
well.......

nffc · 25-04-2005, 17:41

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Originally Posted by Incognitas

Today a fellow teacher was reporting how the parents of pupil in his tutor group after being sent a letter about their daughter wearing make up in school (which is against the school rules) wrote back and asked if all the goths in the school(all 5 of them) had to remove their make up..Yes says the tutor of course,the rules are the same for everyone.

I thought about this and it seems to me parents really are not thinking anything through when it comes to discipline at home and in school.What the hell difference does it make that there are goths in the school as to whether their daughter is breaking the school dress code and should be punished for it.It's the very same thing the students always do to draw attention away from their misbehaviour to others thinking to distract staff away from their poor behaviour.

Pupil says "He's throwing paper too so why don't you tell him off?"
You say " You are the one I caught and as soon as I catch him I'll deal with him".

Pupil "But that's not fair he should get into trouble as well."

You say " but it is you I caught."

It's bad enough the kids trying the red herring form of distraction from their own misbehaviour but when the parents do it as
well.......

Exactly. If they don't want to be caught they should be more subtle, or just simply not do it.

They have **** all respect and basically it's the PC brigade, do-gooders, etc that are at fault, the teachers can't discipline them, the parents are more bothered about the ****ing telly or whatever and can't be arsed, the kids run riot... which causes the bloody chav culture, ASBOs, etc etc.

Some kids are OK, admittedly, but the scum that do ****ing things like that are just nobs who give the rest a bad name.

Mal · 25-04-2005, 17:55

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Originally Posted by Electrolyte

Why did they put CD players up as something bad? I used to always listen to my CD player, as it helped me ignore the morons messing around and helped me get on with my work

Shouldn't you have been listening to the teacher, rather than to your cd player?

homealone · 25-04-2005, 18:37

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Originally Posted by Electrolyte

Why did they put CD players up as something bad? I used to always listen to my CD player, as it helped me ignore the morons messing around and helped me get on with my work

probably because they were sick & tired of the complaints when the players were lost stolen, or damaged...