China closes the net

[punky]

Originally Posted by Earl of Bronze

What and loose out on a market of 1.25 billions consumers, are you mad.

As long as wages are dirt cheap in china, or toys can be made for no pay by slave labourers, do you really think democratic nations will stop trading with them? FFS, France is making tens of millions of dollars a year upgrading the avionics and fire control systems of chinese airforce combat aircraft.

As long as greed holds such a tight control on humans, people will be repressed.

Well, I meant more being a permanant member of the security council, etc, than a trading partner. You're right of course. Trouble is, with all that power and clout they have, we need them on the UNSC

Originally Posted by Earl of Bronze

What and loose out on a market of 1.25 billions consumers, are you mad.

As long as wages are dirt cheap in china, or toys can be made for no pay by slave labourers, do you really think democratic nations will stop trading with them? FFS, France is making tens of millions of dollars a year upgrading the avionics and fire control systems of chinese airforce combat aircraft.

As long as greed holds such a tight control on humans, people will be repressed.

Agreed. How many of us are tapping away right now on Chinese manufactured PCs or watching Chinese manufactured TVs whilst the kiddies play with Chinese manufactured toys? Of course the censorship of the net is wrong (and I got told off for stating the obvious on another thread!! ) but I suspect none of us are in a position to get high and mighty about the Chinese. The irony of course, given China's economic ideolgy, is that our growing dependence upon Chinese imports is a direct result of the global free market economy. We do like our cheap stuff!
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Originally Posted by Diamond

Why is it that all communist countries tend to become crazy totalitarian states?

When did Blair embrace communism then? Now that wasn't on the news!
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Originally Posted by punky

Well, I meant more being a permanant member of the security council, etc, than a trading partner. You're right of course. Trouble is, with all that power and clout they have, we need them on the UNSC

So taking the cheap stuff from them is OK but......?!!

[punky]

Originally Posted by andyl

Agreed. How many of us are tapping away right now on Chinese manufactured PCs or watching Chinese manufactured TVs whilst the kiddies play with Chinese manufactured toys?

True, although, there is a big difference between the Chinese people, businesses, etc and the Chinese Government who are the ones causing all this.

The irony of course, given China's economic ideolgy, is that our growing dependence upon Chinese imports is a direct result of the global free market economy. We do like our cheap stuff!

The true irony is that despite China's current political situation, the Chinese people have always been firecely capitalist. Going into any Chinese restaurant will tell you that. The current communist era is a small blip in history since Mao came along

(Cue loads of other people smarter than me to come back and tell me I have China's history arse about face).

Originally Posted by punky

True, although, there is a big difference between the Chinese people, businesses, etc and the Chinese Government who are the ones causing all this.



The true irony is that despite China's current political situation, the Chinese people have always been firecely capitalist. Going into any Chinese restaurant will tell you that. The current communist era is a small blip in history since Mao came along

(Cue loads of other people smarter than me to come back and tell me I have China's history arse about face).

You've got China's history arse about face actually I know nothing about Chinese history apart from Mao Tse Tung said change would come with the barrel of a gun (and that only die to an Alabama 3 song).

Ok, now we've gone off topic but unless somebody's gonna say that this censorship is a good thing, where can we go?!!

[philip.j.fry]

Originally Posted by andyl

Ok, now we've gone off topic but unless somebody's gonna say that this censorship is a good thing, where can we go?!!

"Censorship is a good thing because it eliminates disparity and the causes of conflict"

...Discuss

[punky]

Originally Posted by philip.j.fry

"Censorship is a good thing because it eliminates disparity and the causes of conflict"

...Discuss

That is treating the symptoms, not the cause. (And using the buckshot approach too).

If that is your homework title, sod off, you do it

[Ramrod]

Originally Posted by philip.j.fry

"Censorship is a good thing because it eliminates disparity and the causes of conflict"

How?

[punky]

Originally Posted by Ramrod

How?

Disagreements (from an argument on here to a world war) come from having 2 opposing views. Censorship can quash one side of the view, then there will be no disagreement, or war. If people are censored long enough, or harshly enough, then gradually, they'll believing in that censored viewpoint themselves.

I am not saying censorship is a good thing, 98% of times it isn't, but that is how it can answer your question (and support his thesis).

[Ramrod]

Originally Posted by punky

Disagreements (from an argument on here to a world war) come from having 2 opposing views. Censorship can quash one side of the view, then there will be no disagreement, or war. If people are censored long enough, or harshly enough, then gradually, they'll believing in that censored viewpoint themselves.

I am not saying censorship is a good thing, 98% of times it isn't, but that is how it can answer your question (and support his thesis).

ah....I see why I didn't understand.......It's because censorship doesn't 'eliminate distarity etc' because the people just think those things and whisper them. Censorship didn't stop anything in the ussr, it just forced things underground.

Originally Posted by Ramrod

How?

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[philip.j.fry]

Originally Posted by punky

If that is your homework title, sod off, you do it

I wish it was and that I was going to school this morning not heading to work

Originally Posted by Ramrod

How?

No idea, just trying to stimulate some debate

[punky]

D'oh. It is a bit late to spot the typo now, but it should have read:

"If people are censored long enough, or harshly enough, then gradually, they'll STOP believing in that censored viewpoint themselves"

[Ramrod]

Originally Posted by Graham

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Thats fighting talk!

Originally Posted by Ramrod

Thats fighting talk!

Originally Posted by Graham

You can probably slow that sprint down a bit. You've got 80 plus miles headstart down the A3