Should we deny racists publicity? - Page 3

Mal · 06-02-2005, 01:26

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Originally Posted by kronas

i wonder what would happen if a bunch of asians stood up and did the opposite of the BNP ? would you let them ? just because its a minority does not mean they are not a danger to democracy as they show their actions and polices.

Well...yes. We would have to as it would break the freedom of choice/speech.

kronas · 06-02-2005, 01:29

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Originally Posted by Mal

Well...yes. We would have to as it would break the freedom of choice/speech.

if they were banned i would not miss them, i doubt many others on this forum and across the nation would, but in this democratic society they live, i am wholeheartidly supporting the press stance on these foulmouthed idiots who are hell bent on praying on the 'average joe' in the pub and twisting their lunatic ideals.

NitroNutter · 06-02-2005, 01:33

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Originally Posted by kronas

if they were banned i would not miss them, i doubt many others on this forum and across the nation would, but in this democratic society they live, i am wholeheartidly supporting the press stance on these foulmouthed idiots who are hell bent on praying on the 'average joe' in the pub and twisting their lunatic ideals.

Just maybe some of the BNP party and/or its followers attitudes were created by the very people they now despise, not everyone is born a racist, some are made.

Mal · 06-02-2005, 01:35

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Originally Posted by kronas

if they were banned i would not miss them, i doubt many others on this forum and across the nation would, but in this democratic society they live, i am wholeheartidly supporting the press stance on these foulmouthed idiots who are hell bent on praying on the 'average joe' in the pub and twisting their lunatic ideals.

Please don't get me wrong, I'm do not support of the BNP or any party like it, but I do think that it would be very undemocratic of this country, to ban a party, just because it went against the populisitic viewpoint.

If you start banning parties, how would you start banning them, using what parameters?

kronas · 06-02-2005, 01:39

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Originally Posted by Mal

Please don't get me wrong, I'm do not support of the BNP or any party like it, but I do think that it would be very undemocratic of this country, to ban a party, just because it went against the populisitic viewpoint.

If you start banning parties, how would you start banning them, using what parameters?

i would consider the BNP as 'extremist' i would ban them under the category of a party which is denying civil rights and attempting to 'ethnically clense' a country...

ofcourse it wont happen but its just my view.

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Originally Posted by NitroNutter

Just maybe some of the BNP party and/or its followers attitudes were created by the very people they now despise, not everyone is born a racist, some are made.

true, some are racist because its what they have grown up in, the family the person has grown up that moulds them is what causes the start, then it goes by word of mouth...

NitroNutter · 06-02-2005, 01:48

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Originally Posted by kronas

i would consider the BNP as 'extremist' i would ban them under the category of a party which is denying civil rights and attempting to 'ethnically clense' a country...

ofcourse it wont happen but its just my view.

true, some are racist because its what they have grown up in, the family the person has grown up that moulds them is what causes the start, then it goes by word of mouth...

You misunderstood me

what if after a minor neighbourly dispute with say a muslim you suddenly find that not only is your own life in danger so is that of your wife and children, as follows several attempts on your lives and property

To me it would at least make a person feel that he/she would be glad to see them gone even if it didnt make a full BNP suppoerter.

kronas · 06-02-2005, 01:53

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Originally Posted by NitroNutter

You misunderstood me

what if after a minor neighbourly dispute with say a muslim you suddenly find that not only is your own life in danger so is that of your wife and children, as follows several attempts on your lives and property

To me it would at least make a person feel that he/she would be glad to see them gone even if it didnt make a full BNP suppoerter.

oh come on....neighbourly disputes happen all the time, its wrong to look at them as race issues, it does happen but what i am trying to say is that people should be treated as individuals not a minority or majority.

you do get instances like the above, you rise above it and move on with your life, not everyone from a certain race is like that so why punish a whole race ?

ignorance breeds hatred...

NitroNutter · 06-02-2005, 01:58

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Originally Posted by kronas

oh come on....neighbourly disputes happen all the time, its wrong to look at them as race issues, it does happen but what i am trying to say is that people should be treated as individuals not a minority or majority.

you do get instances like the above, you rise above it and move on with your life, not everyone from a certain race is like that so why punish a whole race ?

ignorance breeds hatred...

but a dispute with 1 muslim family or business is a dispute with the majority of muslims, which I bore witness to the police confirming this and also the police gravely advising the family to leave their home town. It matters not who is in the right with the original dispute either.

kronas · 06-02-2005, 02:00

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Originally Posted by NitroNutter

but a dispute with 1 muslim family or business is a dispute with the majority of muslims

i cant comment on that as i have only heard about individual incidents.

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Originally Posted by NitroNutter

which I bore witness to the police confirming this and also the police gravely advising the family to leave their home town. It matters not who is in the right with the original dispute either.

people dont get on with each other for many reasons

happens all the time, its all about colour again!

NitroNutter · 06-02-2005, 02:08

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Originally Posted by kronas

i cant comment on that as i have only heard about individual incidents.

people dont get on with each other for many reasons

happens all the time, its all about colour again!

actually the family was fairly color tolerant and had several freinds from a few ethnic groups, but they didnt bend over and take it up the ass when provoked either, and that was how it started with a new neighbour who flouted the law in many ways got violent and destructive when asked politely to change some things.
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and as for the cant comment for the muslims being a united front the whole country bore witness to that being confirmed on the news night of 9/11 by a spokesman for the brittish muslim movement

Damien · 06-02-2005, 10:34

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Originally Posted by NitroNutter

actually the family was fairly color tolerant and had several freinds from a few ethnic groups, but they didnt bend over and take it up the ass when provoked either, and that was how it started with a new neighbour who flouted the law in many ways got violent and destructive when asked politely to change some things.

I have had trouble with white people? Some people are nasty, its nothing to do with their race or religion. If someone wants to join because they had trouble with a muslim it means they are blaming an entire race for the actions of a individual. If they do that they are stupid. Plan and simple. It certainly does not give their case any justification

Also why do the BNP have problems with muslims, arabs, asians and basically any other black community? But not with other groups that come into the country such as the americans, french, and Irish? Its because they are racists, there problem is not with the 'effect on the english culture' but is because they dont like black people.

**Derek S** · 06-02-2005, 10:51

While I don't agree with the BNP policies I do think that they should be allowed publicity.

Allowing a political party that has won votes and council seats to be shut out of all publicity is taking a dangerous path. Who decides what is and isn't an acceptable viewpoint?

An example would be this weeks debate at St. Andrews university. The BNP leader was due to attend and I would have loved to see him have his arguments torn to shreds but due to threats from Anti-BNP groups it was pulled.

http://www.thecourier.co.uk/output/2...y6787746t0.asp

If it continues like this who is to say that other controversial issues don't become taboo with no debate on them allowed?

**Russ B** · 06-02-2005, 10:57

Politically speaking I don't think we should silence the BNP - it's the job of the other parties to debunk their views and point out failings and inaccuracies, that's the way politics works.

Escapee · 06-02-2005, 10:59

I dont agree in general with their policies, to put it another way "I wouldn't like to see the BNP in power"

On the other hand there is a small amount of their policies that I do agree with, and I think a large number of people in this country do.

Just because I say I agree with a small minority of their policies, doesn't make me a racist.

Ramrod · 06-02-2005, 11:13

I wonder what would happen if the Nazi party surfaced in UK politics..............would there be discussion here of it's freedom of speech?