Iraq to get Saddam

Ramrod · 29-06-2004, 18:23

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Iraq's prime minister says former President Saddam Hussein will be handed to Iraqi legal custody on Wednesday and charged the following day.
The announcement comes a day after the US-led coalition handed power to Iyad Allawi's interim government.

Iraqi officials say the charges against the ex-leader are likely to include crimes against humanity and war crimes.

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Saddam Hussein is to face charges before an Iraqi court on Thursday, according to the country's new Prime Minister Iyad Allawi.

The former dictator - who is accused of war crimes, genocide and crimes against humanity - will be transferred to Iraqi legal custody, but will remain in an US-run jail because the Baghdad government does not yet have a suitable detention facility.

29-06-2004, 18:48

Despite my usual views on fair trials, there is an almost overwhelming temptation to suggest chucking him in Abu Ghraib prison...

kronas · 29-06-2004, 18:51

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Originally Posted by Graham

Despite my usual views on fair trials, there is an almost overwhelming temptation to suggest chucking him in Abu Ghraib prison...

and let the US break more humanitarian laws ?

lets just sit back and see what happens, if there will be a democracy for the people of Iraq.

i wonder what they have been doing to him while he has been detained.....

29-06-2004, 18:56

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Originally Posted by kronas

and let the US break more humanitarian laws ?

No, that's why I said it the way I did.

I would in no way support that sort of thing, but it's at times like this I can understand (although not approve of or agree with) the mentality of the "string them up" brigade.

kronas · 29-06-2004, 18:59

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Originally Posted by Graham

I would in no way support that sort of thing, but it's at times like this I can understand (although not approve of or agree with) the mentality of the "string them up" brigade.

'string them up' that type of mentality makes for a flammable situation dont you agree ?

so if you get a chance to do it the democratic way you will do it the inhumane way....

but ofcourse when someone else (some other country/people) do it its wrong we all shout about it being wrong!!!

Earl of Bronze · 29-06-2004, 19:08

Well IMHO, I think it's only right that the Iraqi people get to try this deposed tyrant. As long as it's a 'fair trial', which the international community will insist on, then it can only be good for Iraq in the long run.

29-06-2004, 19:15

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Originally Posted by kronas

'string them up' that type of mentality makes for a flammable situation dont you agree ?

so if you get a chance to do it the democratic way you will do it the inhumane way....

but ofcourse when someone else (some other country/people) do it its wrong we all shout about it being wrong!!!

Kronas, what are you talking about? I would *NOT* do it the "inhumane way". I would not *support* doing it that way. I would and do object to *any* country "doing it wrong".

I thought I had made that perfectly clear.

kronas · 29-06-2004, 19:19

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Originally Posted by Graham

I thought I had made that perfectly clear.

i know you said that, but others dont think that.

punky · 29-06-2004, 20:32

In a way it is nice as it sends a good message out to the Iraqis to say they are in control, but I don't have a whole lot of confidence that they'll be able to keep him in there without insurgency/terrorists etc, busting him out, given the current security situation.

Especially as a lot of former loyalists have assimilated back into the new Iraqi army.

Steve H · 29-06-2004, 20:35

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Originally Posted by kronas

i wonder what they have been doing to him while he has been detained.....

The U.S?

If its anything like Britain, he's probably been in a 5 star hotel with 24/7 surveilance.

Jerrek · 01-07-2004, 04:48

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Originally Posted by kronas

and let the US break more humanitarian laws ?

lets just sit back and see what happens, if there will be a democracy for the people of Iraq.

i wonder what they have been doing to him while he has been detained.....

Yeah Kronas, continue crying over U.S. abuses. PLEASE.

Here is something JUST for you and others that love to quote how bad and evil the U.S. soldiers are in Iraq.

http://www.dailystar.com.lb/article....ticle_id=4206#

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"Ibrahim Idrissi has mixed feelings about the recent uproar caused by the abuse of Iraqi prisoners at Abu Ghraib under the US occupation. "As a humanitarian organization, we oppose this," he says. "But these are soldiers who have come to Iraq to fight, not to be prison guards. It was to be expected. Of course, if there are innocent people in there ... it is possible, I guess, that some of them are innocent."

If Idrissi seems a bit callous about the fate of the Iraqis in US-run jails, he has probably earned the right to differ. He recalls a day in 1982, at the General Security prison in Baghdad:

"They called all the prisoners out to the courtyard for what they called a 'celebration.' We all knew what they meant by 'celebration.' All the prisoners were chained to a pipe that ran the length of the courtyard wall. One prisoner, Amer al-Tikriti, was called out. They said if he didn't tell them everything they wanted to know, they would show him torture like he had never seen. He merely told them he would show them patience like they had never seen."

"This is when they brought out his wife, who was five months pregnant. One of the guards said that if he refused to talk he would get 12 guards to rape his wife until she lost the baby. Amer said nothing. So they did. We were forced to watch. Whenever one of us cast down his eyes, they would beat us."

"Amer's wife didn't lose the baby. So the guard took a knife, cut her belly open and took the baby out with his hands. The woman and child died minutes later. Then the guard used the same knife to cut Amer's throat." There is a moment of silence. Then Idrissi says: "What we have seen about the recent abuse at Abu Ghraib is a joke to us."

The Idrissis, and many families like them, feel that people in Iraq have too quickly relegated the horrors of the old regime to the annals of history. "But it is not the past to us," says Idrissi. "The mother of the person who was killed, his brothers and sisters, they are alive. We are still living the nightmare every day."

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Keep that in mind when people like Al Gore & Ted Kennedy try to claim that we're just as bad as Saddam. When you hear people like John Kerry, Ted Rall, Michael Moore, & Nancy Pelosi trying to tell you that Bush is a rotten guy, remember that if they had been in charge, Saddam's torture chambers & rape rooms would be open for business and manned by the same sort of people who are sawing the heads off of helpless hostages in Iraq. Better that pregnant women get gang raped and murdered in front of their husbands than for Bush to be the one to get credit for stopping it....

punky · 01-07-2004, 05:02

It really makes me wonder how so called "bleeding-heart" liberals can read that and still say the war was unjustified. I thought caring about others was what mattered most about them.

BBKing · 01-07-2004, 08:32

What's a bleeding heart liberal?

Caring about others is the least of my objections to the war, the primary one is purely selfish, I don't see why my taxes should go towards supporting a foreign policy based on lies that makes the city I live in less safe, while taking money away from established development aid and distracting attention from what's going on in places like Sudan* and Zimbabwe (ethnic cleansing, if you hadn't noticed).

The war was unjustified because the justifications made for it at the time has subsequently proved to be false. Those who said they were false at the time have been vindicated. Those who claimed they were true have been embarrassed. End of story.

1982 was around the time Donald Rumsfeld was shaking hands with Saddam Hussein. The man has form when it comes to ignoring what goes on in Iraq's prisons.

*Having said which, Colin Powell was in Sudan yesterday. The Sudanese government really does support Islamic militants and once sheltered Osama Bin Laden, but the US eventually sends the Secretary of State rather than 160,000 troops. Odd that. No oil, of course.

etccarmageddon · 01-07-2004, 08:44

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Originally Posted by Graham

Despite my usual views on fair trials, there is an almost overwhelming temptation to suggest chucking him in Abu Ghraib prison...

my overwhelming temptation is to chuck him into the Big Brother house.

01-07-2004, 10:09

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Originally Posted by Jerrek

Yeah Kronas, continue crying over U.S. abuses. PLEASE.

Here is something JUST for you and others that love to quote how bad and evil the U.S. soldiers are in Iraq.

Granted that the abuses perpetrated by the US soldiers pale incomparison to the case you referred to. But it is a pretty flimsy defence when the best you can come up with is that they aren`t as bad as someone else. Do try harder next time.