Bush's campaign ads pack a good punch.

[Jerrek]

Hmm, here are some of Bush's campaign ads that we're seeing on television (on American channels). I think they're good. I think they're damn good.


http://www.georgewbush.com/News/Mult...spx?ID=762&T=2

http://www.georgewbush.com/News/Mult...spx?ID=754&T=2

http://www.georgewbush.com/News/Mult...spx?ID=764&T=2

http://www.georgewbush.com/News/Mult...spx?ID=772&T=2


And of course, making sure everyone in the south can understand him:

http://www.georgewbush.com/News/Mult...spx?ID=756&T=2



What do you think?

[Jefferson T]

I think I'd like to see a bunch of links for some videos from the other guy before I express an opinion.

[downquark1]

Originally Posted by dilligaf1701

I think I'd like to see a bunch of links for some videos from the other guy before I express an opinion.

Well this explains a lot of the 'statistics' the bush campaign uses against him:
http://64.94.245.159/blog_commento_f...rno=&archivio=

Here are his videos I think
http://www.johnkerry.com/videos/

[philip.j.fry]

I'm not a fan of these ads where instead of putting across and selling the parties/persons view they instead attempt to put down the opposition. But then all sides do it everywhere, I hate watching party political broadcasts here, I think that they should have to conform to the same guidelines that all other advertisers have to.

[Jerrek]

Originally Posted by philip.j.fry

I'm not a fan of these ads where instead of putting across and selling the parties/persons view they instead attempt to put down the opposition.

If you by now don't know Bush's position, then you're an idiot and shouldn't be voting. Everyone knows Bush's position on everything. It isn't a secret. Now Kerry, well, he needs to come clear and stop saying he is both sides of the coin. Bush can and should be doing these commercials because it brings the truth out what Kerry stands for, while he himself refuses to take position on lots of issues.

But then all sides do it everywhere, I hate watching party political broadcasts here, I think that they should have to conform to the same guidelines that all other advertisers have to.

Yeah so much for freedom of expression.

[philip.j.fry]

Originally Posted by Jerrek

If you by now don't know Bush's position, then you're an idiot and shouldn't be voting. Everyone knows Bush's position on everything. It isn't a secret. Now Kerry, well, he needs to come clear and stop saying he is both sides of the coin. Bush can and should be doing these commercials because it brings the truth out what Kerry stands for, while he himself refuses to take position on lots of issues.

a) I'm not a USA citizen and thus not eligible to vote

b) If I were a USA citizen and eligible to vote, I would listen to both(+) sides but I would rather listen to positive arguments, e.g what Bush would do and then what Kerry would do, not what they think is bad about each others policies. Anyone with a modicum of intelligence should then be able to make an informed decision on whom to vote for based on which policies they agree with. If as you say, Kerry is playing both sides (New Labour anyone?) then that should become clear.
It is my personal opinion, that when you are trying to 'sell' yourself or your policies or your products or whatever, you should try to do it on your own merits, not undermining the opposition. There is room in a structured debate for discussion on the relative merits of the policies but TV adverts in my view don't come under structured debate.
If I see someone who can't argue their own merits but only attack the opposition then I switch off listening, my personal choice.

Originally Posted by Jerrek

Yeah so much for freedom of expression.

Yes, I think I'd have to allow them to say whatever they like according to my beliefs, oh well, I'll just have to excercise my right not to listen.

Originally Posted by Jerrek

Everyone knows Bush's position on everything.

Really, you honestly think that applies to the general public when Bush didn`t even confide in several members of his cabinet his plans to invade Iraq for several months?

[Defiant]

If I was a US citizen I'd be wondering what's the point in voting. After all George W Bush shouldn't have really been president in the first place remember.

[Damien]

Those videos are like towny said, not very good.

They insist on putting kerry down instead of talking about policys

also i love the double standards from the bush campain here
http://www.georgewbush.com/KerryMedi...d.aspx?ID=2231

Also while kerry has some ads on hes site attacking bush hhe has loads of adverts that dont mention bush at all look at the iraq one for example he explains this policys without one mention of bush.

While kerry isnt perfect when it comes to mud-slinging hes done a lot less than bush. GOOD FOR HIM

[Jerrek]

Originally Posted by philip.j.fry

a) I'm not a USA citizen and thus not eligible to vote

So? This is hypothetically. Everyone in the United States with half a brain knows Bush's points and what he supports. It isn't a secret. In fact, that is what upsets liberals so much. He is clear to the point at a level that scares liberals and they then have to call it arrogance.

b) If I were a USA citizen and eligible to vote, I would listen to both(+) sides but I would rather listen to positive arguments, e.g what Bush would do and then what Kerry would do,

You have no problem knowing what Bush would do. You hear it every day. They don't need to spend $50 million on repeating it day after day. Kerry, on the other hand, seems to support both the people for abortion and the people against abortion. He supports both the war and he is also against the war. He needs to do what you're suggesting, not Bush.

not what they think is bad about each others policies.

Why not? Because Kerry would loose? Why would you want to cover up how Kerry wanted to add 50 cents to the gallon in taxes? Why would you want to hide that he voted against better equipment for the army? Why?

I'd love for Kerry to do the same so we can see what is bad about Bush. But as of right now, he is trying to please everyone and I hate that.

Anyone with a modicum of intelligence should then be able to make an informed decision on whom to vote for based on which policies they agree with. If as you say, Kerry is playing both sides (New Labour anyone?) then that should become clear.

Future tense? You really need to try past tense. No one seems to know what exactly he stands for.

It is my personal opinion, that when you are trying to 'sell' yourself or your policies or your products or whatever, you should try to do it on your own merits, not undermining the opposition.

And it is my opinion that you should use both.

[Jerrek]

Originally Posted by Damien

Those videos are like towny said, not very good.

They insist on putting kerry down instead of talking about policys

also i love the double standards from the bush campain here
http://www.georgewbush.com/KerryMedi...d.aspx?ID=2231

Really? Why the **** should Bush keep talking about his policies when it is COMMON KNOWLEDGE? Every ****ing idiot knows his opinion to well.

He is counting on that and instead of reinforcing and repeating it, he is now highlighting why NOT to vote for Kerry.

[Damien]

Bush should state what he will do for the next 4 years for the people who do not know and should be saying why to vote for him instead of why not to vote for kerry

Quote:
It is my personal opinion, that when you are trying to 'sell' yourself or your policies or your products or whatever, you should try to do it on your own merits, not undermining the opposition.

And it is my opinion that you should use both.

I agree that you should use both but something like 80/20 on your own policies.

It is easy to criticise, very, very easy to point out faults that you believe others have.

It is far more difficult and therefore far more valuable to come up with your own original ideas for the betterment of society, it if far more difficult to recognise your own shortcomings.

If I was a USA citizen (god forbid) I would hold much more stock in leader that sniped less at the opposition and led from the front proudly with his policies.

[Jerrek]

Originally Posted by Damien

Bush should state what he will do for the next 4 years

How many times would you like to hear it? 4,402 times or 4,403 times?

for the people who do not know

Everyone knows.

and should be saying why to vote for him instead of why not to vote for kerry

Everyone knows that too.

[Jerrek]

Originally Posted by Pierre

If I was a USA citizen (god forbid) I would hold much more stock in leader that sniped less at the opposition and led from the front proudly with his policies.

Obviously you'd vote for Bush then, who is sniping far less than Kerry and who is leading with pride by announcing what he is planning every so often, in clear terms, and he is never backing off.