Which Linux? - Page 11

Gareth · 26-11-2006, 23:39

Shaun, when you say that the mouse pointer disappears, do you mean it drops you into a shell (think command prompt in Windows parlance) and you can type commands, or is it just a grey screen that you can't do anything with?

If it's the latter, then it sounds like the X window manager is failing to load, for some reason. I'd try pressing Ctrl + Alt + F12, which should display your log file, including hopefully an error message related to your problem with X, or your graphics card. Similarly, you could try pressing Ctrl + Alt + F2 in order to open a new session, then sign-in using whatever credentials Ubuntu uses (this will be non-graphical, so you'll be able to do it) and try manually starting X with the command startx. Chances are this will fall over still, but at least it should give you an error message explaining why it failed to load, which will be a start for diagnosing the problem.

Shaun · 27-11-2006, 12:41

I'll give those tips a go Gareth. I'm getting a desktop like I get in windows (no command prompt) and the mouse pointer shows up for the first min or so until the OS finishes loading but then disappears. I can click with it but just no see it which is no use as you cant position it where you want.

Can't really understand it as I never had this issue las time I tried it on this machine.

popper · 27-11-2006, 17:52

if anyones interested
Kaffeine 0.8.3 released

Get it now here

We recommend to uninstall previous version before installing 0.8.3

* DVB: selectAll button in scandialog
* DVB: save channels list sort order
* DVB: added "Current channel" button in epg window, patch by Michael Hoertnagl
* xine-part: shortcuts for delay/advance subtitles (ctrl+alt+right/left)
* xine-part: fixed wmv seeking.
* xine-part: save and restore video settings (hue,saturation,contrast,brightness)
* DVB: OSD warning when timeshift hd<300MB
* added: option to start in minimal mode + dcop call.
* added: "Open Dir" starts playing dvd from dir if dir points to a dvd image.
* added: playing dvd iso files.
* DVB: auto rename channels when adding to list
* Disc: fixed crash trying to play while encoding
* Disc: Ask user for cddb close matches, patch by Boyan Tabakov
* fixed: session issue.
* fixed: better screensaver disabling method (no interfering key presses anymore).
* DVB: fixed scanning services sharing same pmt.
* DVB: added H/V (C band mutipoint) lnb settings.
* DVB: improved device detection.
* DVB: added : "int dvbSNR( int device )" dcop call.
* fixed: crash when quit from systray.

26. November 2006

Vlad_Dracul · 28-11-2006, 12:32

Quote:

Originally Posted by printerman

I want to install and play with a linux system (cos i'm fed up with MS), but which one should i choose?
I just do general surfing, emailing, newsgroups and burn dvds occasionally.

It also must be easy to install, i can't be doing with all of this typing stuff in to get the graphics card working?

So which one is easy to intall and easy to use?

P.S. I'm thinking of trying Suse 10.1.

What do you mean your fed up with MS? Do you mean your fed up with Microsoft or fed up with its operating systems?

There is a lot of rubbish talked about MS and its global domination of the PC industry. Let us not forget that they didnt get that way overnight. They got that way by being good at what they do and by producing products that the people liked and the people wanted.

Without MS, computers and the internet would not be the dometicated animals that they are today. They would still be largely within the domain of geekdom and black screens with command line interpreters.

Dont get me wrong, i think its laways good to try new tricks and i have palyed with a few Linux distros myself . I have Caldera and Ubuntu here. Unfortunatly i often time find that there is a particular application or job for which i have to reboot to MS.

So its a chicken /Egg situation. Until Linux gets a much wider user base like MS, we will never have the same vast range of applications/support. Without the user base, they may never be developed!

All in all MS is still the clear winner simply becuase of its global support and user base.

People often have a play with linux to learn new tricks but then come back to what they love and know!

popper · 28-11-2006, 15:32

dooper , you dont know your computer history very well do you, the MS T&C over the years is what makes MS what it is today, that combined with the get rich quick OEM CEO's is why every x86 personal computer runs MS OS's today, not innovation.

your right in part about 'producing products that the people liked and the people wanted' except, it isnt MS thats produced these apps, its the innovative 3rd partys that needed to fund their non X86 apps that gave windows its biggest start for apps people actually wanted and/or liked, most everyone else just used the free MS supplyed apps to save money as its good enough rather than an app they must have.

if your trying to say MS is the post popular OS then think again http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/sh...ad.php?t=49945

to bring it back in to the O printerman P , you might try Slax and its 3rd party app my slax, that can make your own liveCD images from inside windows
http://www.slax.org/download.php
http://myslax.bonsonno.org/
"So what’s new:

MySLAX Creator
• Rootcopy support: Finally you are able to include your own /etc/X11/xorg.conf file from Windows.
• Nosound boot option added (SLAX 5.0.7 only)
• USB hard disk are disabled by default again but you can enabled them by calling MySLAX with the “-expert” parameter. (ie “C:Program FilesMySLAX CreatorMySLAXCreator.exe” -expert)
• Better Windows 98/ME support (I hope)
• Fixed some bugs.

MySLAX Modulator
• Dir2Mo support! You are able to create your own module from a Windows directory. Please don’t ask me for mo2dir support. I don’t know how to decompress modules in Windows.
• Double click filename.tgz starts MySLAX Modulator
• Fixed some bugs.

Have fun

05 Nov 2005"

[Edit]
i just noticed that the post he replyed to was '01-07-2006, 10:28' so it appears a little trolling is the order of the day.....

still it bumps the thread and perhaps some new readers might give one of the liveCD linux's a good go, and grow to like them perhaps.

LOL, if you want to see how REAL trolling is done take a look at the Amiga messageboards
http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/...14&poll_id=468

Tristan · 28-11-2006, 15:40

Quote:

Originally Posted by dooper786

What do you mean your fed up with MS? Do you mean your fed up with Microsoft or fed up with its operating systems?

There is a lot of rubbish talked about MS and its global domination of the PC industry. Let us not forget that they didnt get that way overnight. They got that way by being good at what they do and by producing products that the people liked and the people wanted.

Without MS, computers and the internet would not be the dometicated animals that they are today. They would still be largely within the domain of geekdom and black screens with command line interpreters.

Dont get me wrong, i think its laways good to try new tricks and i have palyed with a few Linux distros myself . I have Caldera and Ubuntu here. Unfortunatly i often time find that there is a particular application or job for which i have to reboot to MS.

So its a chicken /Egg situation. Until Linux gets a much wider user base like MS, we will never have the same vast range of applications/support. Without the user base, they may never be developed!

All in all MS is still the clear winner simply becuase of its global support and user base.

People often have a play with linux to learn new tricks but then come back to what they love and know!

I did spend a while composing a reposte, but then it struck me that you're clearly so utterly clueless about what you're talking about that you do a good enough job of making yourself look stupid without my help.

In the vain hope that you might seek further education though, try looking up words like "Amiga" and "Macintosh" to see how Microsoft "invented the GUI"

Oh, and while you're there, look up "The Road Ahead", the 1995 book by Bill Gates of his vision of the next 20 years of computing. Famously, the first edition doesn't contain a single mention of the word "Internet".

Yep, Microsoft are the best all right...

popper · 28-11-2006, 16:38

Quote:

Yep, Microsoft are the best all right...

and lets not forget professional too

like slagging off PS3.
http://ps3.qj.net/Vrignaud-has-a-PS3...g/49/aid/74438
""It appears there's no internal hardware scaler in the PS3. As reported, it appears the PS3 is unable to output a consistent signal to your TV based upon your desired selection," wrote Vrignaud in his Ozymandias blog. The official even claimed that he wanted to play Resistance in 1080i (He has a PS3?)."

but forgetting to mention that the xbox360 and its add-on HD-DVD also doesnt have an internal hardware scaler eather, (see VC-1 doom9 thread were the official MS dev/testers officially state that fact).

how about an official Microsoft-owned MSN article to slag-off your rivals then http://xbox360.qj.net/MSN-We-X360-won/pg/49/aid/74415

MS are so good and innovative.....

BTW did anyone reading import a PS3 yet ?, it might be interesting to see how the Yellow Dog PPC linux install went..
http://ps3.qj.net/Installing-Yellow-...g/49/aid/74285

http://ps3.qj.net/tags/sony/880

this ones a good example
http://www.informationweek.com/blog/...PCKH0CJUNN2JVN

Robster · 28-11-2006, 20:23

This thread was a request for advice about choosing a version of Linux, please lets not get drawn into a L v MS debate. If you are not interested in Linux or you don't like it, don't post. If there is a thread asking for advice on Windows maybe you can help someone there.

EBO48 · 28-11-2006, 20:46

Quote:

Originally Posted by Robster

This thread was a request for advice about choosing a version of Linux, please lets not get drawn into a L v MS debate. If you are not interested in Linux or you don't like it, don't post. If there is a thread asking for advice on Windows maybe you can help someone there.

The Jackal · 28-11-2006, 21:04

Quote:

Originally Posted by Robster

This thread was a request for advice about choosing a version of Linux, please lets not get drawn into a L v MS debate. If you are not interested in Linux or you don't like it, don't post. If there is a thread asking for advice on Windows maybe you can help someone there.

Vlad_Dracul · 29-11-2006, 11:22

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tristan

I did spend a while composing a reposte, but then it struck me that you're clearly so utterly clueless about what you're talking about that you do a good enough job of making yourself look stupid without my help.

In the vain hope that you might seek further education though, try looking up words like "Amiga" and "Macintosh" to see how Microsoft "invented the GUI"

Oh, and while you're there, look up "The Road Ahead", the 1995 book by Bill Gates of his vision of the next 20 years of computing. Famously, the first edition doesn't contain a single mention of the word "Internet".

Yep, Microsoft are the best all right...

No no ,i didnt say they were the best, i was intimating that their products and works have ensured the continued growth of popular computing in home and office based environments and whilst Linux has great potential, unfortunately it is not a useable enough product for the mass market. I have uwsed it myself as a learning experience and still play around with it a bit. I did not suggest that MS conceived the GUI. I still have here in my collection, an Atari STFM comuter with a massive 20mb external hard drive and varous addons inside soldered in by my own fair hand. It was quite a performer in its time too along with the Amiga and others.

I do find that Linix users are so defensive, as if i were trying to steal a lollipop from their child in a pushchair ! I am merely stating fact. Linux has its uses but it is nowhere near as easy to use and as flexible and user friendly as MS windows is for the mass market and until it evolves a bit more, it will stay that way.

Many end users of PCs see them simply as another form of white goods. They even sell them next to the fridges and cookers in currys. They expect and demand that they plug it in,turn it on,it works and keeps on working.

Anyway, back to the original poster,, I kind like Ubuntu..

Gareth · 29-11-2006, 13:58

Quote:

Originally Posted by dooper786

They expect and demand that they plug it in,turn it on,it works and keeps on working.

Surely that's enough of a reason in itself to not use Windows

TheBlueRaja · 29-11-2006, 14:31

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gareth

Surely that's enough of a reason in itself to not use Windows

Actually its the reason why Linux will never be as popular as windows.

Gareth · 29-11-2006, 14:44

I'd say that Windows is more prevalent amongst the desktop because of Microsoft's anti-competitive business practices over the past two decades.

TheBlueRaja · 29-11-2006, 15:31

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gareth

I'd say that Windows is more prevalent amongst the desktop because of Microsoft's anti-competitive business practices over the past two decades.

Windows is so much more easy and has much more support than Linux does.