Leased internet

[Kelvin.uk]

Hi,

We are looking to increase the speed of our leased lines. Can somebody please explain what the bearer circuit means? Does it make much difference in speed?

Our options are:

10Mb connection on a 10Mb bearer circuit or 10Mb connection on a 100Mb bearer circuit. The 100Mb bearer circuit will cost £1,505 extra in annual rental.

Thanks.

[gazzae]

AFAIK it means you could upgrade to 100Mb in future with out any further work being required

[Matthew]

In simple terms its what the fibre can handle.

So if you got a 10Mb on a 10Mb that's it, but if you got say a 10Mb on 100Mb you could go to 100Mb.

[Uncle Peter]

What service are you running over the LL?

[Kelvin.uk]

Thanks for all your responses.

We will be running:
Internet for about 100+ users
VPN links to two small remote sites
Up to 15 remote users connected at once with a VPN client
60 iPhones syncing mail

---------- Post added at 10:04 ---------- Previous post was at 08:39 ----------

What I'm trying to work out here is, is it worth going for the 10m/100m line? This is what we have been quoted:


- Existing circuit – 2m/2m – annual rental = £8,685 – in term until 16/05/2014
- Upgrade to 10m/10m – annual rental = £12,786 ( 3 year term )
- Upgrade to 10m/100m – annual rental = £14,291 ( 3 year term )


Would the the speed go over 10m during the 3 year term?

[gazzae]

No the speed won't increase within the 3 year term.

Bascially you are paying more for the ability to upgrade at a later date.

[Uncle Peter]

Originally Posted by Kelvin.uk

Thanks for all your responses.

We will be running:
Internet for about 100+ users
VPN links to two small remote sites
Up to 15 remote users connected at once with a VPN client
60 iPhones syncing mail

---------- Post added at 10:04 ---------- Previous post was at 08:39 ----------

What I'm trying to work out here is, is it worth going for the 10m/100m line? This is what we have been quoted:


- Existing circuit – 2m/2m – annual rental = £8,685 – in term until 16/05/2014
- Upgrade to 10m/10m – annual rental = £12,786 ( 3 year term )
- Upgrade to 10m/100m – annual rental = £14,291 ( 3 year term )


Would the the speed go over 10m during the 3 year term?

Hats off to you if you were managing on a 2mbit circuit

I would seriously consider the 100mbit local access if they're going to be bringing fibre into your CPE. For the extra cost it saves you a fair bit of hassle going forward if you need to upgrade again in the short term.

[damien c]

From my understanding what it mean's is that you have the option in the future of upgrading to a faster speed, by having a larger bearer without any work being done other than basically a new config file being sent to the equipment, and that is either done by a engineer visiting the site or over a the air as such to the unit.

What it also mean's is that you could in future have a your current circuit's all running of say 10Mb, of a single RJ45 port on the equipment and then at a later date at another circuit coming of a 2nd RJ45 port and so on, until you reach I would say around 90Mb as they would probably, leave 10Mb for fluctuations in the existing circuits.

What is the current circuit fed using is it Fibre or Copper?

As far as I am aware if it's Copper there is a limit to the bandwidth that can be put over it, so the increase in cost could be because of running Fibre to the premises and also to cover replacing the hardware that would be required as the terminating equipment will be different dependant on if it's copper or fibre again as far as I am aware.

[Uncle Peter]

Originally Posted by damien c

As far as I am aware if it's Copper there is a limit to the bandwidth that can be put over it.

Determined on a case-by-case basis. Some providers will offer EFM over bonded, copper pairs but in the majority of cases these days a 100mbit local access circuit like this will come in over fibre unless you are really out on the sticks. Judging by the price OP's price point this appears to be the BT managed offering or similar as I've just had to cost a load of these into a solution for one of our clients.

[sollp]

Don't know if you have already looked at the site:

http://www.virginmediabusiness.co.uk...s/Big-Red-VPN/

[bomber_g]

depending on where you are they may need to put a 3rd party circuit in for the last couple of miles to your site. This is most likely the reason for having a price increase for the higher speed bearer.

So instead of getting a 10 meg 3rd party circuit, they'll get 100 meg, and throttle the connection to whatever speed you like.

As a tech I'd say get the 100 in case you find that 10 aint enough and you end up being stuck with it, or needing downtime to increase speeds. I'm not a business person though, so I don't know if the extra money is worth it or not. Maybe work out how much it will cost to have downtime, or even ask for the costs of an active standby HSRP set up (Ie 100meg backed up by a 10 meg or your 2 meg or something)

---------- Post added at 08:53 ---------- Previous post was at 08:38 ----------

Originally Posted by damien c

As far as I am aware if it's Copper there is a limit to the bandwidth that can be put over it, so the increase in cost could be because of running Fibre to the premises and also to cover replacing the hardware that would be required as the terminating equipment will be different dependant on if it's copper or fibre again as far as I am aware.

Copper circuits come as a maximum of 32 meg presented to the customer, so to have 100 meg ish you'd get 3 of these set up as a single link on the terminating router. Which is very expensive unless you happen to have the cabling in place already, which is very unlikely.

These days your pretty much going to get fibre on any speed link, because it's cheaper to install, the main difference is the terminating equipment, ie, big expensive gigabit routers, or cheaper 10 meg transmission units and everything in between