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Originally Posted by wizardman
do i need extra subscription to ntl if i am using a router?????
thanx

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Nope!
The ntl broadband & console service gives you 2 IP addresses - 1 for the PC & 1 for the XBox.
If you have a router, there is no need at all to have the ntl console service, as the router will be able to provide all the IP addresses that you need.
Of course, ntl would prefer that you did pay them, but my own personal opinion from reading the ntl Terms & Conditions is that you're OK with using a router & not the ntl console service -
http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/sh...841#post215841
Plenty of people use XBL on ntl *without* paying ntl for the extra console service.