[Merged] ntl: 50Mbps Coming Soon?

[popper]

Originally Posted by phonic

Hi Popper,

I think a community run free wifi network would work best, as Bulgaria is a poor country. However, they are trying hard and have come a long way in a very short time in all areas.

The idea of wireless internet has been talked about for some time and I know a small company that was testing it about 2 years ago, but it was more downtime than up. The Total bandwidth for the area was 10mbit, and offering 128kbit for customers, but the real speed was much slower.

Thanks for the links, an interesting read.
I’m flying over to Bulgaria Thursday on business, and will see what’s on the table.

I would say tho’ that the UK needs to keep moving forward, or we may end up being embarrassed by poor Eastern European countries like Bulgaria.

how did you get on finding info ?,it would be interesting to hear progress/idea's.

these look interesting as 50Mbit (although suspect the usual real speed 22Mbit+ max) long range AP, Bridge, PMP Station, Mesh networking client, etc for larger deployed community wireless LAN's.

might just cut it for the UK full 20Mbit speeds (perhaps if as claimed even near 50Mbit) and good for cheap community Wireless LAN deployment if you collect up enough people.

http://www.dailywireless.org/2007/05...-powerstation/
"

Ubiquiti Networks today announced PowerStation, an open 802.11 product platform designed for the outdoor wireless community featuring Ubiquiti’s patented radio and antenna innovations.
The PowerStation (pdf datasheet) features a powerful 400 mW radio with a built-in 18dBi antenna and (software) switchable polarity. It is designed to be cost-effective with flexible, open-software, and has gained software partners including OpenWRT, OSWave, Antcor Ikarus, and StarOS. Ubiquiti makes publicly available the full Linux SDK and Toolchains necessary for OEM’s and Carriers to tailor software solutions for their specific needs."

"

At the core of the product is Ubiquiti’s hi-power radio combined with an advanced receiver architecture and an adaptive antenna. Ubiquiti claims it enables link distances beyond 25km and TCP/IP throughput greater than 50Mbps.

It may also be useful as municipal wireless client for users who can’t get a reliable connection in their residence.
Integrated with the radio is an embedded hi-gain antenna based on Ubiquiti’s patent-pending Adaptive Antenna Polarity (AAP) technology.

With AAP technology, the antenna can be statically software switched between vertical and horizontal polarities.

The adaptive mode allows for the beam polarities to be switched dynamically on the fly. A single 18dBi antenna with better than 25dB polarity isolation is integrated into the unit. "

|"

Based on Atheros Silicon and compliant with the MADWIFI driver, it ships with 5/10/20/40 MHz channel width support, bridging, routing, multiple AP/Station modes, and traffic shaping.

“The PowerStation hardware platform is one of the most impressive we have seen in terms of performance, design, and reliability.

It’s refreshing to see a company work so closely with the opensource community as Ubiquiti has done with OpenWRT, and we look forward to continuing that relationship with PowerStation,” said Imre Kalos, a core developer of OpenWRT, the popular Linux distribution for embedded wireless devices.
The PowerStation2 in now available through distribution and carries a single quantity MSRP of $159. 5-packs, 20-packs, and 100-packs are also available at $149, $139, and $129 respectively. "

has anyone got user experience setting up a 'Bonding box'?, as in combining 2 or more wired/Wirless connection to one big pipe.

i'v never tryed it but found this as a start, dont now the gatchya's for it though, might be interesting....

http://wiki.mikrotik.com/wiki/ECMP_Failover_Script
http://wiki.mikrotik.com/wiki/Bonding_Examples

[tweetypie/8]

Originally Posted by dontpannic

Why is it always Virgin Media's fault?? You try getting anything better from a decent reliable ADSL connection? And you can't say that Virgin Media are controlling technological dark ages when it comes to BT's kit can you?

What is keeping us in the technological dark ages are the technologies put in place when the networks were built! Bulgaria, Poland etc have better phone networks and better cable networks as they were built more recently with better kit and better cabling.

I don't know if you remember but in this neck of the woods, NYNEX put in the cable networks, not even cable and wireless, ntl, or Virgin!

Broadband is still in it's young ages - think back 5 or 6 years ago - the majority of the UK were on dial-up connections or ISDN!

People who need huge upload bandwidth are either:

• Webmasters
• Illegal P2P users

Webmasters (as stated by the terms and conditions) require a business line
Illegal P2P users, well, it's exactly what it says on the tin!

Yes, I am on 20mb
Yes, I do host a server

768kb is plenty upload for what I use it for - email. I host my own email for 4 people (my family) why would I need a gazillion gigabits per second upload?

The problem with some of the UK population is that we are a nation of moaners. Some people hear of rumours and trials and suddenly we have to moan about them.

Be thankful what you've got. 10meg is higher than the average connection speed in the UK, 20meg is a LOT higher than the average home connection speed in the UK. No-one has got anywhere near 50meg as a home connection. As an example, Thailand do not have a cable network. Many ADSL services over there are 2mpbs.

Home broadband connections are designed for the average Joe who wants to put stuff on his iPod, while checking email and streaming media, not someone who's going to be maxing out his connection 24/7 downloading pirate movies. If you want a high upload, pay for it and get a business line - something which some of you should be doing anyway.

50meg would be a brilliant thing to have, and 1.5mbps is a huge amount for sending pictures and emails, heck, 768kbps is enough!

So, in conclusion, get out more, enjoy the world while it lasts, and stop moaning about a service which isn't even in the pipeline.

Nick

well said nick

[dontpannic]

Originally Posted by tweetypie/8

well said nick

Thanks! Not very often you see someone else being realistic about things!!

[popper]

about as realistic as the old US based 'commodore boardroom members/executive' and the new 'Amiga Inc name' followers it appears...

you wouldnt want these boys looking into the US traded Virgin Media, files and executive
http://moobunny.dreamhosters.com/cgi.../expand/146509
http://moobunny.dreamhosters.com/cgi.../expand/146834

its almost as if the current Virgin Media Executive are mirroring the old commodore Executive in so many ways as regards their corporate running and choices made, and thats not a good thing.

ohh Happy Birthday BTW

[popper]

phonic:
if your still interested in the community wireless stuff,take a look at this (the MIT Roofnet ,iv talked about them for years now), really cool off the shelf consumer begining (at long last lol).
http://www.dailywireless.org/2007/06...aki-solar-kit/
"
Meraki Solar Kit



Merakie, the MIT Roofnet spinoff, today announced the new Meraki Outdoor repeater and a Solar accessory kit, that can cover entire neighborhoods with Wi-Fi inexpensively.

Meraki Outdoor ($99), uses mesh networking and can send a signal up to 700 feet. Paired with Meraki’s existing indoor Mini ($49) , the Outdoor repeater can be installed on a wall or a pole outside the house.

It can provide access for dozens of households sharing one high speed connection, lowering the cost per household as low as $1 to $2 a month.


The Meraki indoor/outdoor repeater supports high gain and directional antennas and works with other Meraki repeaters to create robust networks. Features include:

• Unique industrial design (weatherproof plastics, easy to mount)
• Dual SSID supports public and private networks on the same connection
• Long-range support (400-700 ft; 6-18 miles with antenna)
• 2 x 100Mbit Ethernet ports
• Low-cost: $99

The Meraki Solar accessory kit will allow the repeater to broadcast a signal without being connected to any electrical source.

Once connected, Meraki Solar’s power usage can be distributed throughout the day and managed by the Meraki Dashboard service ensuring the repeater is powered during peak usage times.

The solar kit includes a solar panel, battery pack and an outdoor Ethernet cable. Pricing will be set later this summer. "

[Incomplete]

Originally Posted by dontpannic

Thanks! Not very often you see someone else being realistic about things!!

Yep.

I can't think of any reason why anyone would need more than 640KB of RAM in their PC either.

Or anything over 56kbps dialup.

Personally I don't hammer P2P, am not a webmaster, but have a 2Mbit/s upload at the expense of some download.

Why? It makes the connection feel a touch more responsive, drops latency a touch, and when I want to do those silly things like sending someone a file on MSN or streaming music to myself at work or whatever I can easily, quickly and smoothly.

The internet is a 2-way medium and I like that I can upload quickly.

Bring the bandwidth and the applications follow.

I am not looking forward to when I have to lose that 2Mbps upload at all.

[Stuart]

Originally Posted by Incomplete

Bring the bandwidth and the applications follow.

Actually, traditionally, on the Internet (in the UK at least), it's always been the other way around. Hence the problems being experienced by VM and several other ISPs.

[popper]

not sure i agree with that stuart, you are making good use of your increased Be* upload rate i assume?, you can now think of other applications that can now become usable with that 1.3Mbit+ upload (or are you on the even faster 2.4Mbit upload package?), i know i can.

[Zee]

One thing i'd like to point out here, P2P is NOT illegal

[popper]

yes, we all know that, but dontpannic etc seem to miss that vital point , but no matter.....

if people wanted to pick (up) on the most unlawful traffic shifted per hour, then why not '3rd party news servers' , now that would make a nice change of pace......

ha, 56kbps dialup indeed, you were lucky

Speeds were typically 300 bits per second, achieved by modulating a carrier at 300 baud.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acoustic_coupler

those were the days of the REAL BBS, non of this interweb watzit...

[Stuart]

Originally Posted by popper

not sure i agree with that stuart, you are making good use of your increased Be* upload rate i assume?, you can now think of other applications that can now become usable with that 1.3Mbit+ upload (or are you on the even faster 2.4Mbit upload package?), i know i can.

I did say traditionally. However the fact that increasing numbers of ISPs are considering and/or using caps and / or traffic shaping suggests that it is still the case regardless of the packages that they sell. Put simply, demand has always outstripped supply.

[Incomplete]

Originally Posted by Stuart C

Actually, traditionally, on the Internet (in the UK at least), it's always been the other way around. Hence the problems being experienced by VM and several other ISPs.

Not so sure on that one. A lot of people would say that bandwidth is the killer app. Youtube, P2P, Usenet all take new dimensions when you have the bandwidth to do them smoothly and quickly.

If it were the case that bandwidth didn't cause increased takeup of high bandwidth applications however much you throw at people you'd still have the same usage which is probably what some companies were hoping for... and were disappointed

Certainly my higher upload is serving me well.

Bandwidth demand outstripping supply isn't the case with some providers, such as your own and the Sky LLU network where the solution to congestion is more bandwidth

[popper]

and theres this report today
http://www.ispreview.co.uk/cgi-bin/n...AyEVuEhsnkDkrD
" UK Has Worlds Most Active Online Population

By: MarkJ @ 1:52 PM
......
The U.K. has the most active online population, with the highest average number of daily visitors (21.8 million), the highest usage days per month (21 per user), and the highest average time spent per month per user (34.4 hours).

• European users average 16.5 usage days per month. Countries that have usage days below the European average are Russia (11.4 average usage days), Austria (12.0), Italy (12.9), Ireland (13.0), Portugal (13.4), Norway (14.7), Denmark (14.7), Switzerland (15.1), Belgium (15.5) and Finland (16.4)....."

seems we need to get Mr A and crew logging on far more, but thats hard with his current narrowband speed VM connection i suppose

[dontpannic]

Originally Posted by popper

yes, we all know that, but dontpannic etc seem to miss that vital point , but no matter.....

Thanks for the birthday wishes, much appreciated, but back on topic

I don't miss out on the fact that P2P isn't illegal, which is why I stated in my post "Illegal P2P downloads". P2P is also used for things like 4OD, and other such services which I know are not illegal, but there are millions more illegal downloads on P2P networks as legal downloads. That is probably the reason why it has gained such a reputation from the Kazaa / Morpheus days.

I know that uploads are important in this day and age, and I know that faster uploads make the internet feel faster, but only we will notice that. As I mentioned earlier, the average home user (which, lets face it is what VM's broadband is aimed at) will not notice upload speeds, they won't even measure their broadband speed, unless something is horribly wrong - not usual.

Again, if you don't like the smaller upload speeds, go elsewhere, it's simple really. You could always go (god forbid) to Tiscali, AOL, or Sky, then you'll find out what slow uploads really are!
Nick

Originally Posted by dontpannic

Thanks for the birthday wishes, much appreciated, but back on topic

I don't miss out on the fact that P2P isn't illegal, which is why I stated in my post "Illegal P2P downloads". P2P is also used for things like 4OD, and other such services which I know are not illegal, but there are millions more illegal downloads on P2P networks as legal downloads. That is probably the reason why it has gained such a reputation from the Kazaa / Morpheus days.

I know that uploads are important in this day and age, and I know that faster uploads make the internet feel faster, but only we will notice that. As I mentioned earlier, the average home user (which, lets face it is what VM's broadband is aimed at) will not notice upload speeds, they won't even measure their broadband speed, unless something is horribly wrong - not usual.

Again, if you don't like the smaller upload speeds, go elsewhere, it's simple really. You could always go (god forbid) to Tiscali, AOL, or Sky, then you'll find out what slow uploads really are!
Nick

The average user will want to watch a few online streams, use their webcam, download the song, which will require quite abit of upstream so yes they will notice upload speeds.

Every single message i see from you, just presumes that any legal user will only go online, read their emails and sign off again, get real, seriously, there is HUGE amounts of free streams out there, legal p2p downloads, legal song downloads and VM is penalisin the AVERAGE user, not the heavy downloaders, they can still get what they want while the home user suffers.