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Old 29-04-2012, 13:42   #31
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Re: The end is nigh

Oldham isn't getting FTTP, it has FTTC available and as of next year it'll have FTTP on demand available in common with other areas.

BT Retail can't cut special deals with residential customers to pull fibre instead of copper for various reasons.

If a new line is needed a new line is what the OP will get. Either way OP will be getting copper to their home in the first instance. This time next year the option may be there for FTTP on demand, whether this requires a copper loop to supply voice or is a full replacement isn't known.
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Old 29-04-2012, 13:54   #32
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..whether this requires a copper loop to supply voice or is a full replacement isn't known.
Off topic but a major puzzler for me - why didn't BT introduce some sort of VOIP service (or even analogue optical nodes) where they've done the FTTC work so that they could make all that bypassed copper redundant and cut maintenance costs or even rip it out for scrap.
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Old 29-04-2012, 15:12   #33
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Re: The end is nigh

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In the short term, based on your estimates, you would get the best speeds from BT, but as we all know, BT sell of their network to the highest bidder, and then anyone else they can get money from. Virgin Media is a stand alone network, not selling off it's network to other sub ISPs like the long list that BT supports, so if you stay the course i'd bet money you'd end up in a better place with better speed.
I stayed the course and my 50mb connection dropped to 12mb while on BT my 40mb increased to 80. Every time I've been with VM in the last 6 years I've eventually ended up with a connection running at 1/4 it's quoted speed.

VM do sell their network to other companies, just not residential ISPs.

In fact, 60 out of the last 74 months, or my entire adult life, I have got or have been able to get better speeds on BT.

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Overall I am about 1 1/4 miles from the exchange but only about 30 metres from the cabinets. The map also says that the Oldham exchange is FTTP ready.
Infinity does look better priced though.
If you're that distance from the cab I'd expect 200mbps on vectored VDSL2 30a, i.e. without fibre.
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Off topic but a major puzzler for me - why didn't BT introduce some sort of VOIP service (or even analogue optical nodes) where they've done the FTTC work so that they could make all that bypassed copper redundant and cut maintenance costs or even rip it out for scrap.
Regulatory reasons, they've only recently been permitted to supply voice over FTTP with a battery backup of 1 hour in locations where they previously have had copper.

They're also still obliged to supply a full copper loop to anyone who wants one within reason, removing copper ties homes to FTTC/P which Ofcom do not yet permit.
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Old 29-04-2012, 20:56   #35
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I'm not supprised if the guy who came round looked fed, if he works for McNicolas on behalf of Virgin Media, they have some very big pay issues, and managers that just crack the whip, if you were working 12 hour days and getting between £220 and £270 for the plesure you'd be a bit fed up.

With the added factor that the paper work is, 50% of the time, wrong. Added with working tuesday to saturday working 2 6 day weeks in a month and just you try booking holidays with them, it's allways a BIG NO.

And if you are getting work done in the Bournemouth area, ask about the Team Manager, the grumpiest so and so you have ever met, with a just get it in and done attitude, with no regard for anything past his bonus, btw he got fired as an installer, then hired as a manager when McNicolas got the new contract.
I did assume he was a contractor because he wasn't wearing the red Virgin overalls although he was in a VM painted transit. When I have had an engineer wearing the red overalls they always seem to have all the time in the world.
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I did assume he was a contractor because he wasn't wearing the red Virgin overalls although he was in a VM painted transit. When I have had an engineer wearing the red overalls they always seem to have all the time in the world.
It's true, the true VM engineers do have a slot more time to give, but to get there you have to run around like a blue arsed blue, its not the way it should be, so many times i've wanted to stay on, but your figures suffer and then you have no chance of getting to be a proper VM service tech. Its sad really.

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