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Old 10-03-2012, 22:05   #1
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What features would you like to see in the next superhub?
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Re: Superhub 2

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What features would you like to see in the next superhub?

Simple i want a modem not a hub. they have tried it once it does not do what they intended it to do according to most users.

All they need do is issue a modem and then ensure that the only support given is to the modem. If there is a issue with the customers router then it is the customers responsibility to get it fixed.
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Simple i want a modem not a hub. they have tried it once it does not do what they intended it to do according to most users.

All they need do is issue a modem and then ensure that the only support given is to the modem. If there is a issue with the customers router then it is the customers responsibility to get it fixed.
I agree but this isn't going to happen as the mass-market now expects a hub.

Maybe a strategy would be to develop a new business orientated modem-router as this market is not interested in a hub. I know that the reason they have moved from modems to the business variant of the super-hub (BSHUB?) is so that they can provide static addressing via L2TP for business customers. I cannot see why this cannot be a hardware device that focuses on core functionality at the expense of consumer orientated hub features such as firewalls and wireless. This could be then become an requestable option to more technically minded non-business customers who would rather provide their own solution.

The issue for VM would be that technical support for the consumer market would have to handle two devices and they are clearly attempting to consolidate onto a single standard device.

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Re: Superhub 2

Give customers the choice between a hub and a modem - hub for most consumers, modem for prosumers.

One size obviously does not fit all.
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Re: Superhub 2

i think they shoudl develop a staratgy that amkes the superhub 2 teh hub and is thre default for all cusotmer but.... and big but

i think they should maybe either have off the shelf modem only or one they have coinfigured so people who do not want the superhub would ahve alternative that they probally pay for so in adsl example

you sing up for isp get adsl rotuer with modem and rotuer you dnt like it so by a new one yoru self and plug it in

only problem is virign wont allow oyu to do that so by them having a modem that they knwo themself they sell it to the costs but ti remains there property and when the cusotmer leaves they ge the money refunded so it be like buying oyur own adsl rotuer but in this case i you leave you get your money back and virign actively looks for it to be return or collects it
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Give customers the choice between a hub and a modem - hub for most consumers, modem for prosumers.

One size obviously does not fit all.
What he said. Though that's kind of what they tried to do with "modem mode"

Though if they're going to force a Superhub 2 on customers, I'd like them to provide the equivalent of my Ultimate SuperHub mod as standard. And fix the seriously broken software bridging code.
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[....]Maybe a strategy would be to develop a new business orientated modem-router [....] I cannot see why this cannot be a hardware device that focuses on core functionality at the expense of consumer orientated hub features such as firewalls and wireless. This could be then become an requestable option to more technically minded non-business customers who would rather provide their own solution. [....]
Sorry to reply to my own post. VM could market this as a SOHO (business-lite) solution at a modest premium over the consumer tariffs. I for one would be willing to pay for a service more focused to my needs with a better quality (UK based?) level of support should I need it.

Apologies if I am dragging this off-topic.

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Re: Superhub 2

BT infinity still install a stand alone modem so its as though VM have joined the all in one clang then got left behind or even mugged themselves.

Am I right in believing that when Sky, talktalk etc. fibre product come into play that they will have the stand alone modem fitted too?

Whats funny is whats written on router boxes, ADSL only and Cable only but now BT has put itself on the cable only boxes so what now, what was the plan? to let BT and those that use their line take over the router market too?
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BT infinity still install a stand alone modem so its as though VM have joined the all in one clang then got left behind or even mugged themselves.

Am I right in believing that when Sky, talktalk etc. fibre product come into play that they will have the stand alone modem fitted too?

Whats funny is whats written on router boxes, ADSL only and Cable only but now BT has put itself on the cable only boxes so what now, what was the plan? to let BT and those that use their line take over the router market too?
The consumer home hub supplied by BT Retail does standard ADSL and VDSL for the BT Infinity (FTTC) service (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BT_Home_Hub). Openreach provides VDSL routers for business FTTC, the customer then has to provide a PPPoE router.

I imagine that the likes of TalkTalk will have to provide their own VDSL capable kit for home FTTC connections provided through BT Wholesale. I'm not sure how LLU providers such as Sky (Easynet) are going to do FTTC as the service at present depends on direct connectivity to their exchange equipment with the subscribers copper pair. They could go down the sub loop unbundling route, effectively unbundling at the street cabinet level, but that would get expensive very quickly (Openreach Doc).

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Re: Superhub 2

The BT stand alone modem is actually a router with the router disabled - the router is actually quite fast, robust and reliable, but requires a firmware hack to enable.

The BT stand alone router is actually a router with a built-in modem as well, so it's both ADSL and cable.

But the "Openreach fibre modem" as it's called is compulsory for all operators using BT Openreach FTTC infrastructure.

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The consumer home hub supplied by BT Retail does standard ADSL and VDSL for the BT Infinity (FTTC) service (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BT_Home_Hub). Openreach provides VDSL routers for business FTTC, the customer then has to provide a PPPoE router.
Wrong on both counts.

The Home Hub is not capable of VDSL. It requires an external modem for VDSL. Openreach supplies the external modem for all FTTC VDSL connections.

They also do not provide VDSL routers for business FTTC. The standard FTTC modem is supplied by Openreach for both. The ISP (not Openreach) optionally supplies a router for any and all connections. There is no distinction between business and residential.
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Wrong on both counts.

The Home Hub is not capable of VDSL. It requires an external modem for VDSL. Openreach supplies the external modem for all FTTC VDSL connections.

They also do not provide VDSL routers for business FTTC. The standard FTTC modem is supplied by Openreach for both. The ISP (not Openreach) optionally supplies a router for any and all connections. There is no distinction between business and residential.
I stand corrected (on both counts) first a misunderstanding (maybe I'll clarify things a bit on the Wikipedia article), second a misnaming.

I guess it should be easy for wholesale providers to supply PPPoE capable kit to work in-conjunction with the Openreach supplied VDSL modem. It is just the LLU providers that are a bit stuck without starting to make significant investments in new infrastructure.

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Re: Superhub 2

What features would you like to see in the next superhub 2 or 3?

Simultaneous Dual Band
Gigabit WiFi
Up to 450 (2.4Ghz) + 1300Mbps (5Ghz) for speeds up to 1750Mbps

better WiFi coverage throughout your home
USB ports
Router that Features Torrent App
external aerial so you can upgrade it in the future
5 Gigabit Ethernet ports with auto-sensing technology
Double firewall protection
Denial-of-service (DoS) attack prevention
Security WPA/WPA2—PSK
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