Superhub : Qasi gets a Superhub, everything works, world is turned upside down.

[Hugh]

Originally Posted by jb66

So the hub works in your house, everything's perfect with the hub.... Get real, I've had more wifi complaints with this wretched thing than any standalone router, even the regular hub has a more stable wifi

He didn't say that - he said it works for him.

Posting distorted version of what people say doesn't help your credibility....

[craigj2k12]

my superhubs been connected in modem mode from a few months now, it doesnt mean its a working device though, theres a lot wrong with it

[Hugh]

It works for him - he is happy with it.

Imposing your experience and values on him doesn't lessen his experience, just like his experience that it is working to his requirements doesn't add any value to your negative experience.

I really don't understand why anyone is trying to impose their experience on others who have had a different experience....

[craigj2k12]

noone here is imposing experinces

[Pbryanw]

Originally Posted by Hugh

Imposing your experience and values on him doesn't lessen his experience, just like his experience that it is working to his requirements doesn't add any value to your negative experience.

I really don't understand why anyone is trying to impose their experience on others who have had a different experience....

The whole internet would be a better place if everyone (especially the Angry Internet Men) took this to their heart. Unfortunately, it's not going to happen, and some people can't see past their own experiences. Anyway, with that out of the way...back to the thread

[AndyCalling]

Originally Posted by craigj2k12

noone here is imposing experinces

Though some do seem to be experiencing impositions... ~

Good thread if kept to a technical analysis rather than subjective experiences. People might want to take them elsewhere, not because they are not valuable but just for the practical reason of enabling us to look at both ends of the equation without confusing the issues.

Looking at my Shub through the grill with a torch, the ends of aerials seem to be properly attached to the inner wall of the case and not flapping around. I hope that's what you meant Qasi, so I can be sure mine hasn't got that problem.

I can't help but think socket aerials would have been better and would not have noticably increased cost.

[craigj2k12]

yeah back to the thread......

my experience of the superhub (router mode) - there were many issues, wireless range was a joke, speeds over wireless were pathetic, wireless stability was non existent. When connected via ethernet it was also unstable, large LAN side transfers would make it reboot, as well as it spontaneously rebooting without me doing anything. After 10 (i think) reboots it resets itself to factory settings, and when its doing that by itself numerous times daily, you have to re-enter a lot of settings very often. The bugs and rebooting seem to have been patched now from what others have said, but the wireless range is still pathetic.

okay, so my experience of the superhub in modem mode) - once modem mode was enabled (took way longer than it should have) - the superhub was now at least useable, i.e. it didnt randomly re-boot, and I could connect it to my own router without double NAT'ing - but ping and jitter is still way more than it should be

which brings me onto the less apparent issues that everyone is having (please dont try and deny it). Okay so something to do with the superhub buffering more packets at once than the VMNG increases the ping and jitter. This is where everyone has a different opinion "mine works", "mines crap" etc etc.... Hugh keeps saying about "impose their experience" - I dont know who thats aimed at, but ive given my opinion as well as giving facts, you cant argue with my opinions, and you cant argue with facts so i dont see the issue. The above 2 paragraphs that start with the words "my experience" obviously my experiences, whether other people like it are not cannot be argued with, and they arent being imposed on anyone either

The ping/jitter increase affects every superhub, and compared to the VMNG its quite a big increase. Me, and Chrysalis have both been able to test this as both of us have had both devices connected side by side and using the same upstream and downstream channels, at the same time of day, the superhub always perform worse, thats in both modem mode and router mode (theres no difference between either). Furthermore, in higher utilised areas, the superhub reacts worse to utilisation, again, to do with the way it buffers packets.

So theres my opinion and the facts... take from it what you will

[qasdfdsaq]

Originally Posted by AndyCalling

Looking at my Shub through the grill with a torch, the ends of aerials seem to be properly attached to the inner wall of the case and not flapping around. I hope that's what you meant Qasi, so I can be sure mine hasn't got that problem.

Yeah, they're supposed to be stuck to the casing with double-sided tape (rather than real glue or screws) and mine was just loose and dangling behind the main PCB.

---------- Post added at 23:49 ---------- Previous post was at 23:49 ----------

Originally Posted by AndyCalling

I can't help but think socket aerials would have been better and would not have noticably increased cost.

Funnily enough that would be pretty easy to mod. We have some spare HP enterprise all-weather wireless antenna at work. They're about two foot long.

---------- Post added 09-03-2012 at 00:07 ---------- Previous post was 08-03-2012 at 23:49 ----------

Originally Posted by qasdfdsaq

Funnily enough that would be pretty easy to mod.

So easy in fact, I did it in 5 minutes:



I should say despite those two antennas being nearly at the edges of the case, they're still closer together than on most dual-band routers, yet the internal antennas in the SH were even closer together than that. I think the recommended seperation is around 5-6 inches but the SH barely manages 3.

[thenry]

ha

[craigj2k12]

Originally Posted by qasdfdsaq

So easy in fact, I did it in 5 minutes:



I should say despite those two antennas being nearly at the edges of the case, they're still closer together than on most dual-band routers, yet the internal antennas in the SH were even closer together than that. I think the recommended seperation is around 5-6 inches but the SH barely manages 3.

thats so funny

[Chrysalis]

ok so that HH3 is half the hight, unfortenatly still too high :p, as I would lay it flat on its back which would stop me plugging cables into it right?

[Hugh]

Originally Posted by craigj2k12

noone here is imposing experinces

Originally Posted by craigj2k12

yeah back to the thread......

my experience of the superhub (router mode) - there were many issues, wireless range was a joke, speeds over wireless were pathetic, wireless stability was non existent. When connected via ethernet it was also unstable, large LAN side transfers would make it reboot, as well as it spontaneously rebooting without me doing anything. After 10 (i think) reboots it resets itself to factory settings, and when its doing that by itself numerous times daily, you have to re-enter a lot of settings very often. The bugs and rebooting seem to have been patched now from what others have said, but the wireless range is still pathetic.

okay, so my experience of the superhub in modem mode) - once modem mode was enabled (took way longer than it should have) - the superhub was now at least useable, i.e. it didnt randomly re-boot, and I could connect it to my own router without double NAT'ing - but ping and jitter is still way more than it should be

which brings me onto the less apparent issues that everyone is having (please dont try and deny it). Okay so something to do with the superhub buffering more packets at once than the VMNG increases the ping and jitter. This is where everyone has a different opinion "mine works", "mines crap" etc etc.... Hugh keeps saying about "impose their experience" - I dont know who thats aimed at, but ive given my opinion as well as giving facts, you cant argue with my opinions, and you cant argue with facts so i dont see the issue. The above 2 paragraphs that start with the words "my experience" obviously my experiences, whether other people like it are not cannot be argued with, and they arent being imposed on anyone either

The ping/jitter increase affects every superhub, and compared to the VMNG its quite a big increase. Me, and Chrysalis have both been able to test this as both of us have had both devices connected side by side and using the same upstream and downstream channels, at the same time of day, the superhub always perform worse, thats in both modem mode and router mode (theres no difference between either). Furthermore, in higher utilised areas, the superhub reacts worse to utilisation, again, to do with the way it buffers packets.

So theres my opinion and the facts... take from it what you will

everyone is entitled to their opinion on their experience - it's when they insist that everyone must be either sharing their experience or must be lying.... (see bolded comment above)

[Peter_]

Originally Posted by craigj2k12

which brings me onto the less apparent issues that everyone is having (please dont try and deny it). Okay so something to do with the superhub buffering more packets at once than the VMNG increases the ping and jitter.

So theres my opinion and the facts... take from it what you will

It is only your opinion and most definitely not the facts, most users have no issues whatsoever and that is nearer to the truth than your claimed facts without anything to back it up.

Do remember that the are now more Superhub's on the network than the VMNG300 which will never ever make a return or be upgraded.

The future is with the Superhub in one guise or another, mine just works and has done since February 2011 and I include a speedtest below.

[Andrewcrawford23]

Originally Posted by Peter_

It is only your opinion and most definitely not the facts, most users have no issues whatsoever and that is nearer to the truth than your claimed facts without anything to back it up.

Do remember that the are now more Superhub's on the network than the VMNG300 which will never ever make a return or be upgraded.

The future is with the Superhub in one guise or another, mine just works and has done since February 2011 and I include a speedtest below.

well ui am hoping my poll can kinda put this oen to bed once and for all and it appears to be support what oyu saying currently

[ssr]

Originally Posted by Peter_

It is only your opinion and most definitely not the facts, most users have no issues whatsoever and that is nearer to the truth than your claimed facts without anything to back it up.

Do remember that the are now more Superhub's on the network than the VMNG300 which will never ever make a return or be upgraded.

The future is with the Superhub in one guise or another, mine just works and has done since February 2011 and I include a speedtest below.

Here here!