100M : Will the VMNG300 Be able to handle 120 Mb ?

[qasdfdsaq]

VM probably did the same tests but on the other hand they're not in a habit of releasing the data publicly. If they'd bothered I wouldn't have to bother.

[Nopanic]

Originally Posted by qasdfdsaq

VM probably did the same tests but on the other hand they're not in a habit of releasing the data publicly. If they'd bothered I wouldn't have to bother.

genuine question, why are you bothering?

[General Maximus]

because he is probably like me and is a man of principle and like to a prove a point. At least then he can say he has made an effort and does his part even if it does fall on deaf ears.

If he had an ground breaking info to share with us then you are the one in a position to do something about it for the greater good of us customers and VM.

[Nopanic]

Originally Posted by General Maximus

because he is probably like me and is a man of principle and like to a prove a point. At least then he can say he has made an effort and does his part even if it does fall on deaf ears.

If he had an ground breaking info to share with us then you are the one in a position to do something about it for the greater good of us customers and VM.

You think anyone cares what I think? Company or forum wise lol

[Andrewcrawford23]

Originally Posted by Nopanic

You think anyone cares what I think? Company or forum wise lol

no :p esicpally isnce yoru pro vm :p seriously tohugh i do take what you say but i dnt always agee with you esicpally on shub

[qasdfdsaq]

Originally Posted by Nopanic

genuine question, why are you bothering?

Firstly as a long-time member of this forum I see a lot of people arguing one way or another about the Superhub without any empirical facts, including myself, getting information from second-hand sources elsewhere. I like to know what I'm talking about and getting information first hand. So next time someone says the wireless range is crap I've got some actual numbers and can say "well no, it's fine except it's horizontally polarized and most other routers are vertically polarized, and your laptop/phone/tablet has vertically polarized antennas". If that's the case of course.

Secondly, I'm a wireless enthusiast, I design wireless networks and algorithms for reliable wireless communications in my spare time. I'm curious what makes a device like this supposedly so bad for some people and not for others. And to learn what I should and shouldn't do in my own routers.

[Nopanic]

Originally Posted by Andrewcrawford23

no :p esicpally isnce yoru pro vm :p seriously tohugh i do take what you say but i dnt always agee with you esicpally on shub

We agree and the SH you just add facts that aren't facts now and then.

Originally Posted by qasdfdsaq

Firstly as a long-time member of this forum I see a lot of people arguing one way or another about the Superhub without any empirical facts, including myself, getting information from second-hand sources elsewhere. I like to know what I'm talking about and getting information first hand.

Secondly, I'm a wireless enthusiast, I design wireless networks and algorithms for reliable wireless communications in my spare time. I'm curious what makes a device like this supposedly so bad for some people and not for others. And to learn what I should and shouldn't do in my own routers.

Fair enough.

[Andrewcrawford23]

Originally Posted by qasdfdsaq

Firstly as a long-time member of this forum I see a lot of people arguing one way or another about the Superhub without any empirical facts, including myself, getting information from second-hand sources elsewhere. I like to know what I'm talking about and getting information first hand.

Secondly, I'm a wireless enthusiast, I design wireless networks and algorithms for reliable wireless communications in my spare time. I'm curious what makes a device like this supposedly so bad for some people and not for others. And to learn what I should and shouldn't do in my own routers.

just out of curiosyt what bench mark test will you run, just wnat ot know how fair it will be and excately what your testing, i am hopign even tohugh you dislike the shub that since you said your enthusiast that you will be non biased it, i am really interested in your results

[qasdfdsaq]

UDP and TCP throughput tests, compared to a certain other Hub and various wireless routers with optimized firmware. Tests will be done at different ranges and 5 different client devices. I'm not so much trying to find fault with the Superhub as to see why certain people are complaining - in my limited capacity of not being able to survey each and everyone's homes. But a general comparison of speed, range, signal strength, signal quality, distortion, and sideband leakage will be done.

To be fair I don't expect to find the wireless exceptionally bad on the Superhub, I expect to see big problems only in interference prevention and mitigation. I'll be specifically testing those to see if the SH handled it properly and behaves according to wireless standards (which it probably does not, hence making the problem worse for itself). I know that dealing with interference and particularly, hard to detect sideband interference is a total pain. Most leading wireless drivers don't do it properly.

Oh, and I'll also take the wireless card out and test it in isolation in another device (or 3). Though I don't know what Linux driver support is like for that wireless chip yet so it might be a few weeks or months before we have a useable driver.

[Andrewcrawford23]

Originally Posted by qasdfdsaq

UDP and TCP throughput tests, compared to a certain other Hub and various wireless routers with optimized firmware. Tests will be done at different ranges and 5 different client devices. I'm not so much trying to find fault with the Superhub as to see why certain people are complaining - in my limited capacity of not being able to survey each and everyone's homes. But a general comparison of speed, range, signal strength, signal quality, distortion, and sideband leakage will be done.

To be fair I don't expect to find the wireless exceptionally bad on the Superhub, I expect to see big problems only in interference prevention and mitigation. I'll be specifically testing those to see if the SH handled it properly and behaves according to wireless standards (which it probably does not, hence making the problem worse for itself). I know that dealing with interference and particularly, hard to detect sideband interference is a total pain. Most leading wireless drivers don't do it properly.

Oh, and I'll also take the wireless card out and test it in isolation in another device (or 3). Though I don't know what Linux driver support is like for that wireless chip yet so it might be a few weeks or months before we have a useable driver.

im looking for to the results, i would be generalyl intereested in throughput as well, what it handle withotu falling over

[Chrysalis]

Originally Posted by qasdfdsaq

You were the one talking about normal style, not me. I assumed by normal style you meant something like this

That's your opinion. I'd rather have something that's not lopsided where I can't see the cables and can see the indicators.

Yes but that's cheap and lame, literally flipping a normal router sideways. The HH3 on the other hand is specifically designed to reap the benefits of standing a normal router up sideways but with fewer drawbacks and also benefit from that being its "normal" orientation rather than being on a flimsy tacked-on stand.

I consider normal whats on the market.

You have confirmed to me that the market doesnt follow VM and BT's placement of the cables based on what you know off anyway.

Also the majority of routers do not stand up although some do its not the favoured design. The most common design is the router flat with the cables going out the back of it whilst like that. Like the dir615 and all of VMs modems prior to the superhub as well as STB's. Nothing cheap either about using a detachable stand and its certianly better than a permanent stand which doesnt give the end user choice.

I suspect BT chose that design to match phones that stand up on a base, and VM chose it to copy BT.

[craigj2k12]

Well the best router ive had for wireless reception is without doubt the Belkin N1 Vision. It has literally the best wireless reception ive ever seen and its a very nice looking unit despite it being upright and having antennae

[qasdfdsaq]

While I'm not trying to defend the SH's design, the BT HomeHub3 is properly designed to "stand up" and I'd ask you don't berate it until you've tried one. It's actually surprisingly good. As I've said before, there's numerous advantages, and possibly only one disadvantage - you can't turn it sideways to cram it into a narrow space, but I seriously don't see that as a problem for most people I deal with. However fair number of recent Netgear routers have their antennas concentrated in half the device, and *need* to be turned vertically to get decent wireless signal out of them.

Whether BT chose to copy VM or vice versa I wouldn't a clue. Like I said though, the HH3 is specifically designed to be properly operated "standing up" and does it well - down to the placement of connectors (recessed) and location of the antennas on the circuit board (top left and top right corners), to take advantage of the (almost) vertical orientation. It works a lot better compared to "flat" routers laid flat. I've always found flat routers on a sideways stand flimsy and unstable so maybe there's a bit of personal bias there.

But based on home-call experience, of the last 10 people I recall dealing with, 7 of them had their router laid flat, where the HH3 would be a better design, and the 3 that had them vertically didn't do so because of space constraints or trying to shove them into tall narrow spaces. They had them on a table anyway, where the HH3 would be a better design.

When I get home tonight I'll be able to take some pictures of the HH3, SH, and VMNG300 side by side to give you a better idea of how the HH3 compares form-factor wise.

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Originally Posted by craigj2k12

Well the best router ive had for wireless reception is without doubt the Belkin N1 Vision. It has literally the best wireless reception ive ever seen and its a very nice looking unit despite it being upright and having antennae

Yes, the primary benefit of the upright design is for better wireless reception, so I'm not surprised there. Secondarily it saves desk space and has a smaller footprint.

[craigj2k12]

well I could get a reliable wireless signal from my house to the end of the street, so more than good signal I would say

[Nopanic]

Originally Posted by craigj2k12

well I could get a reliable wireless signal from my house to the end of the street, so more than good signal I would say

Depends how big your street is .. you could live here