But I shouldn't moan too loudly as BT's offering around our patch is always falling over, but your (posher and more affluent) area has the new BT offering of fibre optics I believe?[/QUOTE]
Yes they are always leafleting us.Have a problem - when Cable tel. put in my phone /tv - remember them! The guy cut the BT line saying you wont need that any more - and took in back to the front of the house!!!
Anyway had a call today - from Virgin it was a split in the fibre optic cable

and as it was classed as local it does not come up on the web. With out asking, offered a refund for loss of service. So Billy if you see this many thanks again