Will 50mbit become traffic managaged when 100mbit comes out?

|Kippa| · 20-08-2010, 18:43

Will 50mbit become traffic managaged when 100mbit comes out like the lower tiers?

jb66 · 20-08-2010, 18:46

Dunno, wil the 100mbit be traffic shaped when the 200mbit comes out?

kwikbreaks · 20-08-2010, 19:02

If a company changes the T&C of a product it gives current customers the legal right to cancel the contract without penalty so if they do and you don't like that then you would be free to move on. Where to may be a little problematic of course...

Peter_ · 20-08-2010, 19:12

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Originally Posted by kwikbreaks

If a company changes the T&C of a product it gives current customers the legal right to cancel the contract without penalty so if they do and you don't like that then you would be free to move on. Where to may be a little problematic of course...

They can invoke Traffic Management or the Acceptable Use Policy on all tiers anytime that they want as the Terms and Conditions already have in place rules that govern this, so if they decided to traffic manage 50Mb tomorrow you would not have the legal right to cancel your contract.

PeteLockwood · 20-08-2010, 19:52

it already is the AUP they send letters to people who actually use the service they pay for however the aup is loosely termed and if you wanted to cancel there aint a whole lot they can do

PeteLockwood · 20-08-2010, 20:11

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Originally Posted by kwikbreaks

AUP yes but VM advertise the 50Mbps product as free of traffic management so either you are wrong or the VM adverts are - which is it?

vm, i have recieved 2 letters (different occasions) saying i have downloaded too much and when i rang on both occasions they said the SAME thing, you downloaded a lot, 30 gb, but are too retarded to know in what timeframe (or they just spout *****) so yeah, vm lie... clearly..

ps, it is NOT traffic management as such, but they are asking me to NOT download in peak times

Peter_ · 21-08-2010, 05:24

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Originally Posted by PeteL

it already is the AUP they send letters to people who actually use the service they pay for however the aup is loosely termed and if you wanted to cancel there aint a whole lot they can do

But you will still be liable for the Early Disconnection Charges if still in contract so a lot they can do.

PeteLockwood · 21-08-2010, 10:16

no, not at all, it is too loosely termed to be enforced, early disconnection maybe but on the ground of changing the goal posts so to speak ? as time goes by

Peter_ · 21-08-2010, 11:04

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Originally Posted by PeteL

no, not at all, it is too loosely termed to be enforced, early disconnection maybe but on the ground of changing the goal posts so to speak ? as time goes by

It is already in the Terms and Conditions about them being able to change when required plus it is also covered by the Acceptable Use policy.

PeteLockwood · 21-08-2010, 12:41

yes but like i said the aup is loosely termed all it says realy is "if you donwload too much..." what is too much ? 300 KB 300MB 300GB ?

Peter_ · 21-08-2010, 13:12

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Originally Posted by PeteL

yes but like i said the aup is loosely termed all it says realy is "if you donwload too much..." what is too much ? 300 KB 300MB 300GB ?

You cannot use Traffic management though as a reason for breach of contract as it is covered by the Terms and Conditions which we all agree to as customers.

21-08-2010, 13:35

poorly worded terms and conditions and loosely termed FUP could be classed as unfair business practices. The whole VM pricing and business structure is confusing to say the least and could if court proceedings were ever initiated could be a breach of business law I believe.

I personally have never signed a contract with VM, I have never ticked an electronic signature with VM either however I have been tied into a contract without ever actually being told. Now they would in court have to prove I agreed verbally and without that proof there can not be a contract can there?

ethan103 · 21-08-2010, 13:36

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Originally Posted by PeteL

vm, i have recieved 2 letters (different occasions) saying i have downloaded too much and when i rang on both occasions they said the SAME thing, you downloaded a lot, 30 gb, but are too retarded to know in what timeframe (or they just spout *****) so yeah, vm lie... clearly..

ps, it is NOT traffic management as such, but they are asking me to NOT download in peak times

30GB??

What the hell do you download???

Peter_ · 21-08-2010, 13:45

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Originally Posted by zing

poorly worded terms and conditions and loosely termed FUP could be classed as unfair business practices. The whole VM pricing and business structure is confusing to say the least and could if court proceedings were ever initiated could be a breach of business law I believe.

I personally have never signed a contract with VM, I have never ticked an electronic signature with VM either however I have been tied into a contract without ever actually being told. Now they would in court have to prove I agreed verbally and without that proof there can not be a contract can there?

By paying you actually agree the Terms and Conditions as you have accepted the contract by doing so.

General Maximus · 21-08-2010, 22:03

so let this be a lesson, by giving VM your money you are actually agreeing to let them screw you over whenever they want.

Back to the main question though, I cant see 50mbit being traffic managed as there will be no need for it. They said that only something like 9% of customers were on 20mbit (before 50 came out), then 5% were on 50mbit which is on docsis 3 so I am going to go for 1% on 100mbit. There won't be any need to traffic manage because so few customers will be using docsis 3. I know the 20mbit peeps are on it with us as well but I think they are using the docsis 3 hardware but running docsis 2 (or however it works). So I can't see a problem.