BT Infinity VS VM Cable

[Chrysalis]

Originally Posted by Ignitionnet

That's for ISPs to point Openreach towards, Openreach get paid either way.

Where are these areas with no 21CN nor any POP or city in close proximity, beyond perhaps the very first phase trial exchanges? The major cost in any event is the MSANs and the fibre to them. Areas which have ducting in place nice and empty and easy cabinet coverage are cheap. Some heavily urban areas that require additional civils and/or have many homes long distances from cabinets or few homes per cabinet will be painful.

Areas that are BT Wholesale only are evidently that way for a reason - they are not viable to LLU operators.

What's hard for you to understand is that BT Openreach know their network far better than you or I do. They are doing the areas they consider most commercially viable and one has to assume they've good reason for considering them viable given they are very aware of the state of their network - they were auditing it for years before they started FTTC for the precise reason of assessing the costs of FTTC/P accurately.

EDIT: Swift reminder 21CN is a BT Wholesale project and they make decisions on which exchanges they enable. This is nothing to do with the fibre Openreach may or may not have to each exchange. In no small part it's down to far more dull things such as room, power and aircon availability within exchanges for 21CN MSANs and transport network.

Sadly yes the truth hurts

The criteria is defenitly very different to past rollouts tho 21CN and original adsl they obviously used different criterias to consider commercial viability.

[Ignitionnet]

Originally Posted by Chrysalis

Sadly yes the truth hurts

The criteria is defenitly very different to past rollouts tho 21CN and original adsl they obviously used different criterias to consider commercial viability.

That would be in no small part because it was a different business unit of BT doing those rollouts.

EDIT: Not to mention that neither was an access network upgrade and 21CN is a cost saving exercise not a network upgrade.

[Chrysalis]

ignition i just checked the latest rollout news.

they picked a low populated exchange in an area where footballers live (affluent).

the other exchange also out of the city on the outskirts before hit the country side.

the pattern I am seeing (outside m25) is areas that are high % residental not many office and avoiding council estates etc.

17 in surrey? (affluent?)

all 4 leicestershire exchanges announced here. all outside of city and all affluent, 2 are very affluent.

http://www.samknows.com/broadband/exchange/EMASHBB - market 2 5k residents no VM
http://www.samknows.com/broadband/exchange/EMKRBYM - 6k residents market 2 no VM
http://www.samknows.com/broadband/exchange/EMQURRN - 4.5k residents market 2 no VM
http://www.samknows.com/broadband/exchange/EMLUTTE - 5k residents market 2 no VM

9 market 3 exchanges with over 16k connections skipped.

similiar pattern for derby and nottingham.

[weesteev]

The same is true in Scotland. All the Infinty upgardes are onyl happening where there is either no Virgin Media service (Dunfermline) or very low network penetration (Edinburgh Craiglockhart or Livingston Station for example).

[Ignitionnet]

Originally Posted by weesteev

The same is true in Scotland. All the Infinty upgardes are onyl happening where there is either no Virgin Media service (Dunfermline) or very low network penetration (Edinburgh Craiglockhart or Livingston Station for example).

How about the bits of Glasgow that have already been done?

[weesteev]

Originally Posted by Ignitionnet

How about the bits of Glasgow that have already been done?

Again much lower penetration than areas that have wider cable availability like Renfrew, North Glasgow, East Kilbride etc

[Ignitionnet]

Originally Posted by weesteev

Again much lower penetration than areas that have wider cable availability like Renfrew, North Glasgow, East Kilbride etc

Makes perfect sense given that these trials are being based around where they think they can make money, hence this being a 'market lead' rollout.

[SideWeaver]

Well I am happy enough now considering my connection is now officially 50Mbit D/L 5Mbit U/L. Pretty much keeps me happy, at least for now.

[Jabbs]

I wouldn't move from VM 50m had it for 14 months now and i get 50mb 24/7 and best part paying 20mb prices for it( had some issues for first month of getting it so they reduced it) can average 500gig a month why would i move to BT and there restrictions.