I'm on XL [20mb] & getting 2mb UP?

[roughbeast]

Originally Posted by Broadbandings

Did you not receive a Samknows box, or do I have you confused with someone else? I remember you posting about being selected for the Samknows trial I'm sure.

You weren't told because they want to see how the network performs with normal usage and how it copes with things. They did not want to start having people thinking that the trial is a service upgrade and complaining when they don't get their max trial speed or when it is withdrawn.

The other issue is that some people may avail themselves of the upgrade news by caning their upload 24x7 - not really a realistic representation of normal usage which is what they are interested in mostly.

If your modem copes ok, which it evidently does, and the network copes ok, which it also evidently does, mission accomplished. Now they just keep an eye on how capacity requirements are. They'll have some data on this from smaller trials but need more 'en masse' info.

Trying not to confuse the trials which you are saying are unconnected.

I know about SamKnows because I have the kit. Crappy as it is, only 1 port in and 2 out and only 100Mbs.

I didn't know about the 5Mb trial I was on. You are saying that is deliberate so I wouldn't cane my equipment? That's a laugh I've been downloading sh..loads of torrents just so I can gawp at it all zoom up again.

[Ignitionnet]

Originally Posted by roughbeast

Trying not to confuse the trials which you are saying are unconnected.

I know about SamKnows because I have the kit. Crappy as it is, only 1 port in and 2 out and only 100Mbs.

I didn't know about the 5Mb trial I was on. You are saying that is deliberate so I wouldn't cane my equipment? That's a laugh I've been downloading sh..loads of torrents just so I can gawp at it all zoom up again.

Isn't much of a trial of how it would work in operation capacity wise if people change their usage patterns because of it is all

Nothing wrong with doing just that though, I probably would as well to be honest

Anyway that's about all I have to say and I hope it makes sense, even if people disagree.

[pip08456]

Originally Posted by Broadbandings

Isn't much of a trial of how it would work in operation capacity wise if people change their usage patterns because of it is all

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Now you've lost me. Surely in operation capacity wise ppl will use the extra U/L capacity otherwise what's the point in having it?

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by pip08456

Now you've lost me. Surely in operation capacity wise ppl will use the extra U/L capacity otherwise what's the point in having it?

Methinks the guru is viewing this through a different set of lenses from most of the rest of us. From his perspective he's right. And this is one of the big clashes between VM and the customer. At certain touch points it's "sod the customer". And this is one of them apparently.

[Ignitionnet]

Originally Posted by pip08456

Now you've lost me. Surely in operation capacity wise ppl will use the extra U/L capacity otherwise what's the point in having it?

Using it as per normal and going 'Wow upload upgrade must download a load of torrents so I can watch them seed' are two very different things. Planning capacity to those criteria mean once (if in the case of beast ) the novelty fades there's a load of unused and expensive capacity there doing nothing.

Remember, in an ideal world VM would throw capacity enough for all of us to cane our connections at once onto the network, sadly they'd go bankrupt fairly rapidly if they did so have to balance that pretty minimal amount we pay each month against our capacity requirements.

As an aside to this you'll note some areas haven't received capacity upgrades, in some areas there simply isn't ever enough capacity for them, as soon as it's provisioned it gets used, so they draw a line in the sand and let it stay congested.

This isn't a Virgin specific thing, it applies to cable companies throughout the world.

[pip08456]

Originally Posted by Broadbandings

Using it as per normal and going 'Wow upload upgrade must download a load of torrents so I can watch them seed' are two very different things.

My download habits would not change as my D/L speed will still be the same but my upload would. That is just natural so I cannot agree with you here.

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by Broadbandings

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Remember, in an ideal world VM would throw capacity enough for all of us to cane our connections at once onto the network, sadly they'd go bankrupt fairly rapidly if they did so have to balance that pretty minimal amount we pay each month against our capacity requirements.

As an aside to this you'll note some areas haven't received capacity upgrades, in some areas there simply isn't ever enough capacity for them, as soon as it's provisioned it gets used, so they draw a line in the sand and let it stay congested.

This isn't a Virgin specific thing, it applies to cable companies throughout the world.

Again, there's the problem. Never mind the rest of the world (with potentially different consumer laws), what VM mustn't do is to take extra business in an area that is allowed to stay congested (except on the parts that are not congested).

That's almost the nub of this thread when you get down to it.

[Ignitionnet]

Originally Posted by pip08456

My download habits would not change as my D/L speed will still be the same but my upload would. That is just natural so I cannot agree with you here.

It's not 'natural' it's just how you use your service. Others will download more as their download speed increases as they have no interest in uploading or do anything that uses it. To each their own.

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth

Again, there's the problem. Never mind the rest of the world (with potentially different consumer laws), what VM mustn't do is to take extra business in an area that is allowed to stay congested (except on the parts that are not congested).

That's almost the nub of this thread when you get down to it.

Well the nub of the thread was 20Mbps and 2Mbps upstream trials but it soon diversified regrettably into an excuse to have a moan at VM about something that has quite simply never been an issue previously.

FYI - All previous tier uplifts on Telewest, yes right since their deployment of 1Mbps services 7 years ago, and Virgin Media since merger were trialled in this manner and Moldova's comment was a light hearted and quite wistful one, he's well used to this and he knows that it really isn't a major problem to the business or its' customers, with the exception of yourself who appears to look for any excuse to comment on:

plain old good practice which would be byond VM and it's renowned quality director

Oddly no-one seemed fussed by the 5Mbps upstream trial roughbeast found himself on or the Hudderfield 5 and 10Mbps rollouts, only this trial and some bandwagon jumping that kicked off the whine-line

[broadbandking]

[roughbeast]

Originally Posted by Broadbandings

Oddly no-one seemed fussed by the 5Mbps upstream trial roughbeast found himself on or the Hudderfield 5 and 10Mbps rollouts, only this trial and some bandwagon jumping that kicked off the whine-line

There isn't much else to say on this thread now, in its original or high jacked guise, so let's move on.

Let's face it we all like to stick our oar in or have a bit of combative banter. Isn't that one of the reasons we post here?

[Ignitionnet]

Originally Posted by roughbeast

There isn't much else to say on this thread now, in its original or high jacked guise, so let's move on.

Let's face it we all like to stick our oar in or have a bit of combative banter. Isn't that one of the reasons we post here?

Shush, and stop messing up the trials with your usage!!

Thanks for proving my point though, most people wouldn't have realised they were upgraded, you did and changed your usage patterns which makes the load testing unrealistic.

Won't matter in the grand scheme, of course, but if it were repeated in all trials it would make a bit of a mess of things.

[gobbledigook]

any ideas which areas are having the trials? will all customers in that area be upgraded? and is it worth me rebooting my router to get a new conf ?

I would love some more upstream! 2meg would be perfect, then i would be able to stream my video collection from outside my lan

[Ignitionnet]

Originally Posted by gobbledigook

any ideas which areas are having the trials? will all customers in that area be upgraded? and is it worth me rebooting my router to get a new conf ?

Huddersfield and Coventry so far. No they aren't. No it isn't it'd be automatic if it happened

[roughbeast]

Originally Posted by Broadbandings

Shush, and stop messing up the trials with your usage!!

Thanks for proving my point though, most people wouldn't have realised they were upgraded, you did and changed your usage patterns which makes the load testing unrealistic.

Won't matter in the grand scheme, of course, but if it were repeated in all trials it would make a bit of a mess of things.

Actually I'm already getting over it. Novelty has worn off. Nevertheless being on 5Mb and 10Mb upload is the torrent addicts dream. Let's face it, what else, apart from gaming, are folk going to use that sort of upload for unless they are in business? Illegal file sharing becomes less hazardous. Quickly download and quickly upload to the minimum 1.1 share ratio. Less chance of detection.

I just know you are going to tell me I'm wrong.


Gaming with 5Mb up is a blast. I play Wolfenstien Enemy Territory. My ping is lower than anybody else's. Lag is a thing of the past and action is so smooth.

[Ignitionnet]

Nah you've got it pretty much spot on apart from that the 5Mbit is nothing to do with your ping being lower, would be the same at 5Mbit or 500kbit

Don't forget people working from home and doing video conferencing as a demand driver for higher upstreams though, would make my working from home days more productive.