VM to monitor File Sharing - Page 8

Horace · 28-11-2009, 03:35

So the purpose of this is to discover the amount of illegal filesharing taking place on Virgin's network. The end result being either VM paying compensation or used as evidence to promote legislation. It's all win-win for VM customers then.
If you're going to fileshare get a VPN.

nexy33 · 28-11-2009, 05:30

based on the amount of dodgy modems all over the country then the ip means squat how many mac addys are cloned onto different network segments on cloned modems. what they gonna do prosecute and persecute the owner of the genuine modem and mac address i look forward to seeing that one stand up.

BenMcr · 28-11-2009, 08:45

Well based on how I think the cable network works, even IF a cloned modem was used it would show up on a different part of the network to where the customer should live, so it wouldn't count

I'm sure Mr Broadbandings will correct me if I've got it wrong

Beechy · 28-11-2009, 08:54

It is not Detica or DPI that should concern anyone about detection

if a model is adopted like the RIAA in the USA then the detections are done by Dtecnet. Google them for more info.

popper · 28-11-2009, 10:23

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Originally Posted by Broadbandings

Interesting posts popper but don't change that what VM are doing with CView is nothing at all to do with what ACS:Law are doing. Indeed given that even if a law suit were levied against VM The CView system ensures that they simply don't have data to supply the lawyers.

The lawyers will keep using the same programs that spy on torrent swarms, it has nothing to do with the CView system.

i never said it did directly, only point being they have form with VM customers already so will probably look to include this new option opening up to them somehow....and it wasnt me that pointed to what ACS:Law are doing ,only following the flow of the thread as it were...

and just giving chris26engwales one potential answer to his question given no one else wanted to answer is all

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Originally Posted by Welshchris

Excellent post here, do u by any chance have the address for the VM Department mentioned?

its posted around here somewere, probably in the phorm threads or the bank charges threads by me and others , search.

BenMcr · 28-11-2009, 10:29

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Originally Posted by popper

its posted around here somewere, probably in the phorm threads or the bank charges threads by me and others , search.

Remember if you are going to do a Data Access Request to include a cheque for £10 to cover the admin costs.

Although I'm not even sure whether the ACS:Law court order would be recorded on the account in the first place

Sir John Luke · 28-11-2009, 10:37

Hmmm... according to VM's web site, Data Access requests should be sent to the address on the back of your bill. Anyone spot the flaw in that?

Toto · 28-11-2009, 10:41

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Originally Posted by Sir John Luke

Hmmm... according to VM's web site, Data Access requests should be sent to the address on the back of your bill. Anyone spot the flaw in that?

Ebilling? Do I get a prize?

Ignitionnet · 28-11-2009, 10:45

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Originally Posted by Horace

So the purpose of this is to discover the amount of illegal filesharing taking place on Virgin's network. The end result being either VM paying compensation or used as evidence to promote legislation. It's all win-win for VM customers then.
If you're going to fileshare get a VPN.

Or as I mentioned earlier used to promote their music service to record labels. Given the amount of assumptions that are currently driving potential legislation from the Dark Lord some genuine facts and figures to be pushed at him would be nice.

Toto · 28-11-2009, 10:47

I'm curious about something here.

Sky have been awfully quiet about this. Given that they have actually launched their music service, what have they had to offer to the rights holders to show that they too are looking into copyright breaches over their BB network?

popper · 28-11-2009, 10:50

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Originally Posted by BenMcr

Well based on how I think the cable network works, even IF a cloned modem was used it would show up on a different part of the network to where the customer should live, so it wouldn't count

I'm sure Mr Broadbandings will correct me if I've got it wrong

basicly yes, that cloned modem would have another IP address assigned to it.

now theres always the problem of how that seperate IP gets linked to the account holder for the sending of formal letters OC.....

but taking them at their word you seem to think they wont be sending out these letters so wont be linking this data together....

now if they are using the MAC address theres potentially Big problems there unless they check it against the UBR its supposed to be coming from etc... BEFORE they send any letter to the registered user of that MAC address...

**Kymmy** · 28-11-2009, 10:59

Guys, this thread is about VM doing trial on monitoring p2p activity, nothing more and nothing less.

Posts about phorm, ACS, DPI (technical), cloning all have thier own threads within the forum so can any posts concerning them please be kept to those threads only.

popper · 28-11-2009, 11:00

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Originally Posted by BenMcr

Remember if you are going to do a Data Access Request to include a cheque for £10 to cover the admin costs.

Although I'm not even sure whether the ACS:Law court order would be recorded on the account in the first place

and OC they DO NOT and can not charge a fee for an 'official Notice' to any changes you require of them to follow regarding their use of your data...

Beechy · 28-11-2009, 11:12

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Originally Posted by Toto

I'm curious about something here.

Sky have been awfully quiet about this. Given that they have actually launched their music service, what have they had to offer to the rights holders to show that they too are looking into copyright breaches over their BB network?

The Sky service is not much more than one step beyond a pay per track service. Virginmedia set out with much grander ideas on unlimited for a fixed fee etc

that may change but I still expect Virginmedias service to exceed Skys

that comes at a price

Mr Angry · 28-11-2009, 11:13

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Originally Posted by Broadbandings

Or as I mentioned earlier used to promote their music service to record labels. Given the amount of assumptions that are currently driving potential legislation from the Dark Lord some genuine facts and figures to be pushed at him would be nice.

It's only the facts that are pertinent, the figures are too easily skewed.

The facts:

Artists are entitled to be paid for their work, a lot of people obtain those works without paying, many of those people use the internet to do so. It needs to stop.

Pretty much sums it up from Mandleson's perspective and many agree with him.