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Originally Posted by Broadbandings
This stuff as described does nothing to your traffic, doesn't identify you, and merely reports on it.
In that respect it's no more illegal or dubious than the Arbor Networks analysis I mentioned above.
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Careful, there's no evidence right now that Virgin will simply hand customer details over to 3rd parties and indeed this would be illegal under existing data protection statutes.
That's perhaps a bit on the paranoid side popper?
It will of course apply to Bittorrent, given that it's the most used P2P protocol.
I am probably an exception here but I would much rather VM do this and get some granularity than they start shaping P2P game updates into unconsciousness. It was an inevitable action and I will keep an open mind for now rather than assuming that everything we do is going into the hands of the recording industry, that would result in a rather large law suit to Virgin Media.
Scary that I'm defending this. I'm not happy about it but I'm not going to decide the world is over just yet because of it 
EDIT: I actually more expect it to be used by Virgin to try and push the record companies that don't want to sign up to their music download service into doing so. Showing them the revenue they are losing out on would perhaps make a good argument, it would also legitimise Virgin blocking downloading of tunes via P2P services as they can claim they have their own service.
Bigger picture. It's not illegal, well not right now anyway, it's not going to result in law suits that will work, it's not going to result in our personal data being provided to record companies.
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paranoid just a realist, i could Not give too hoots truth be told from a piracy POV, or even lost perceaved income from every single copy ever took.
this is Only interesting for now to me from a purely techy logic POV and a legal logic POV, learning New and Interesting stuff Every Day... Nothing more....
so down to the Interesting points raised...
"This stuff
as described does nothing to your traffic,
doesn't identify you,"
it seems it does though, how can it Not , its another hop in the chain, or at Best, a virtual realtime cloned copy for later near realtime inspection, If they use the really expensive Kit.... and the customer base will be payed that bill for sure...
given the info we have on this to date, they Do and Must identify you in some way using this collected data derivative work, otherwise there can be no official letter sent to Your account address for cease and desist later and bad boy bad marks placed on your account upto the limits they set before other options are enforced....later perhaps.
"no evidence right now"
well they did say they will send the letters ,so how else might they track your dataflow to your account, there must be something logicly there to allow that process, above and beyond any DPI process.
" actually more expect it to be used by Virgin to try and push the record companies "
sure theres always that as another fringe benefit to them OC, its all about extra and New profits for old rope or your data if they think they can get away with it after all with some home office memo perhaps, we should never forget that most obvious fact...
"it would also legitimise Virgin blocking downloading of tunes via P2P services as they can claim they have their own service."
not so sure about that, allow them to get away with it perhaps, legalise them i dont think so , as you say it all comes down to someone bringing a small claim or other case against them for a given offence or contract breach to get a ruling and/or an official understanding they wont do it/whatever again in the case of an OFCOM warning etc..
"Scary that I'm defending this. I'm not happy about it "
right thats it your a scaredy-cat
"Bigger picture. It's not illegal, well not right now anyway, it's not going to result in law suits that will work, it's not going to result in our personal data being provided to record companies."
Even Bigger picture than yours
, without it being actually activated, thats true, you cant be illegal if your not actually doing these things yet, (unless you as the customer get a false positive OC
) but its not clear right now that its not, if and when it comes online for real, the other contra POV is it is it could be illegal if and when someone gets the evidence and brings a case.
and its not really the record companies getting personal data as much as other 3rd partys such as the credit reference agences etc getting yet another data section to track you with weather you have a false positive against your account or not etc, but dont be a scaredy-cat just yet , i agree upto a point there.
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