Virgin Media to battle cloned modems.

[Gary L]

Originally Posted by Stabhappy

Problem is from the point of anyone with common sense here, you have comitted and are still commiting illegal acts,

As we go through life, most of us commit illegal acts.

and to top it off you seem to have missed half of your school life (or atleast your English classes)

he might be disabled too. if he is we need to point out that he might not function as well as we might.

[hackor_cable]

Originally Posted by Gary L

As we go through life, most of us commit illegal acts.



he might be disabled too. if he is we need to point out that he might not function as well as we might.

ok im a bad bad man

[Milambar]

A lot of hackers (both black and white) make deliberate typing errors, its part of their culture, I know a few (unix/linux whitehats, no blackhats), they seem to think making themselves seem dumber than they are by typo's is part of the "game".

Don't judge their abilities by their grammar or typing errors.

[hackor_cable]

not me im just dislexsic and cant spell for ****
but Milambar is quit right dont mistake crap spelling and grammer with IQ

[Zhadnost]

For those wondering, as a curiousity I cloned a modem (well, I cloned my own modem onto a knackered one that was left here), and the process (and finding the instructions) is mind numbingly simple.

Since VM prefer to replace modems than to repair them, it's a shame the physical design of the modem doesn't make them more tamper-proof.

The only hardware you need is Admin edit (Chris): DO NOT discuss ANY aspect of how to do this. There will be no more warnings, infractions have already started flying for those who do not know when to quit.

FWIW, I only connected the cloned modem to the network to see if it worked, and then it wasn't at the same time as the modem it was cloning, and I didn't try messing with the config file. (I'm already on 20Mbit, so didn't see the point).

[Ignitionnet]

Originally Posted by Zhadnost

Is it not possible to centralise the DHCP service, then if someone tries to connect with an adapter address that's still got an active lease (but is connected to a different UBR), then lock down both units so that the customer needs to re-register using their billing details (like the autoregister service).

Actually in my head this doesn't even work unless you can do some really fancy things with the routers at the hubsite.

Perfectly possible to centralise DHCP service, infact work towards it has been done, and it's nothing fancy at all, IP Helper and Cable Helper addressing has been used since the beginning.

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Originally Posted by horrorwood

BPI+ is already hacked.

Well Virgin's usage perhaps, mandatory BPI+ isn't. Only way to 'hack' BPI is with a perfect clone which tends to require physical access to the modem. That the Virgin deployment of BPI+ is a total arse doesn't reflect on the tech itself, which remains robust.

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Originally Posted by horrorwood

Virgin should just centralise their CMTS infrastructure. All mac's checked in one place, if its a duplicate, you don't get online.

Job done.

DHCP infrastructure yes, CMTS infrastructure can't be centralised.

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Originally Posted by hackor_cable

you wont max out a ubr with one modem lol

4 running on a quad wan load blanceing downloading news binaries may.

it aint the down stream virgin are worried about its the upstreem

Try again genius

Connected to the non-50M network you will max a downstream which will cause service issues for the other 400+ people sharing it with you. On the 50M network you will max one of the D3 downstreams causing issues for anyone sharing it along with the 50M customers.

It is the downstream Virgin are worried about, even worst case your dubious upstream will eat 1/3rd of a channel, while your downstream will take everything that that channel has room for, causing instant congestion.

It is rather scary how little most cloners know about what they are doing, they just follow the recipe

[hackor_cable]

Originally Posted by Zhadnost

For those wondering, as a curiousity I cloned a modem (well, I cloned my own modem onto a knackered one that was left here), and the process (and finding the instructions) is mind numbingly simple.

Since VM prefer to replace modems than to repair them, it's a shame the physical design of the modem doesn't make them more tamper-proof.

The only hardware you need is Admin: Removed
FWIW, I only connected the cloned modem to the network to see if it worked, and then it wasn't at the same time as the modem it was cloning, and I didn't try messing with the config file. (I'm already on 20Mbit, so didn't see the point).

so your a thief too then ?
Da law is Da law and all that plus you breached your terms and conditions then

and admitted it in a public forum where virgin can get your Ip form customer records.

not to bright if you ask me

[Zhadnost]

Yes and no, modifying the modem that doesn't belong to me is illegal, but since I cloned the modem from my own subscription, onto a retired modem that was from the same sub, and only ran it (for a short time I might add) at my own service level and only whilst the main modem was disconnected.

There is in effect no net loss to themselves (since even the modem I used was one they'd given me, albeit years ago, I'm not contributing to the pockets of those that steal modems from VM).

(actually at the time there was someone living here that was paying for a CM service that wasn't connected, so If I really wanted the extra bandwidth, I could have just hooked his modem up as well, although having 2 modems on a drop is probably a breach of their Terms, especially since it would involve putting a splitter in that wasn't provided by them).

I have always had the highest Tier short of having a business account (even back when 1Mbit costed £50/month), I very rarely get STM'd, I have a fair understanding of wireless engineering (technically speaking I worked on one of the early CM designs, although I certainly wasn't one of the brains behind it and I also worked on wireless networking kit long before there was a product available).

Basically I've done barely more than a customer who lpugs in an old modem when their new one stops working to see if it still works, the only difference is that mine did (and from the networks perspective, they probably couldn't discern it from the other modem being power-cycled).

This is hardly a case of, Honest guv, I downloaded the pictures for research purposes. :p

[popper]

Originally Posted by Broadbandings

Perfectly possible to centralise DHCP service, infact work towards it has been done, and it's nothing fancy at all, IP Helper and Cable Helper addressing has been used since the beginning.

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Well Virgin's usage perhaps, mandatory BPI+ isn't. Only way to 'hack' BPI is with a perfect clone which tends to require physical access to the modem. That the Virgin deployment of BPI+ is a total arse doesn't reflect on the tech itself, which remains robust.

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DHCP infrastructure yes, CMTS infrastructure can't be centralised.

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Try again genius

Connected to the non-50M network you will max a downstream which will cause service issues for the other 400+ people sharing it with you. On the 50M network you will max one of the D3 downstreams causing issues for anyone sharing it along with the 50M customers.

It is the downstream Virgin are worried about, even worst case your dubious upstream will eat 1/3rd of a channel, while your downstream will take everything that that channel has room for, causing instant congestion.

It is rather scary how little most cloners know about what they are doing, they just follow the recipe

the interesting part for me is the fact they are getting a consistent long term 1628 Kbit/s on the upstream with a generic NTL250/VM255 and this config file on their connected DS1 UBR cards OC.

i wonder what the upstream settings are and weather the real paying (non DS3) customers might see this 1.5Mbit+ level of upstream some time sooner rather than later.

interestingly, this hacked ratio they appear to be getting on average is a lot better than anything officially available

[Toto]

Originally Posted by popper

the interesting part for me is the fact they are getting a consistent long term 1628 Kbit/s on the upstream with a generic NTL250/VM255 and this config file on their connected DS1 UBR cards OC.

i wonder what the upstream settings are and weather the real paying (non DS3) customers might see this 1.5Mbit+ level of upstream some time sooner rather than later.

interestingly, this hacked ratio they appear to be getting on average is a lot better than anything officially available

popper.............where you been sir??

[popper]

around, but this place has lost much of its tech appeal, (and nothing but bad news references of late not werth reading), so i have the remote machine log in, but dont read/help anywere as much as i did.

i did read your were's popper in the legal thread ,it made me but couldnt be bothered (or find the time)to re-reference the masses of supporting law for the case like i used to post here, perhaps i might sometime if people cant use the CF search.

this thread grabs me for the obvious reasons, faster upstream etc, and i just read a DPI related story that might interest people in these inter related threads....

but it's OT for this thread, so if anyone wants to take sections and split it off into the threads, fine by me.



http://www.dailywireless.org/2009/03...ion-explained/

http://www.freepress.net/node/49008
"...Chris Riley, policy counsel for Free Press and co-author of the paper. "DPI-enabled discrimination will reduce consumer choice and diminish the innovation at the edges that makes the Internet valuable. No short-term benefit can outweigh these long-term harms...."

http://www.freepress.net/files/Deep_...We_Know_It.pdf

"

Another DPI equipment manufacturer, Allot, published a marketing brochure touting its ability to increase ARPU (Average Revenue Per User) through “Tiered Services” and “Quota Management.”

39

Allot claims their equipment “enables quota-based service plans that allow providers to meter and control individual use of applications and services.”

40 Another Allot document states:

The platform delivers high performance, reliability, application awareness and subscriber awareness, which are key components for implementing solutions to control infrastructure and operating costs, and for deploying value added services to increase total and per-subscriber revenues (ARPU).

41 Allot created a tool that “enables service providers to project potential revenues and profits from setting up a tiered service infrastructure.”42

Even more blatantly, one of the “Service Provider Needs” listed by the company is to “reduce the performance of applications with negative influence on revenues (e.g.

competitive VoIP services)."

[Ignitionnet]

You might want to consider http://www.dslreports.com - good forum, people who know what they are talking about with regard to cable and doesn't have a couple of the posters who can make this forum a bit torturous at times

Of course also lacks the VM focus but if you can do without that!

[Toto]

Ahhh.........that's better. Damn, I may not entirely agree with you (popper) on everything, but there is something reassuring about your research

[Ignitionnet]

Originally Posted by Toto

Ahhh.........that's better. Damn, I may not entirely agree with you (popper) on everything, but there is something reassuring about your research

The difference between opinions and facts is a bit of research, even if it can be phrased provocatively

[Toto]

Originally Posted by Broadbandings

The difference between opinions and facts is a bit of research, even if it can be phrased provocatively

Well said.