Virgin's 50Mb broadband arriving December 15?

[broadbandking]

Originally Posted by saabmania2

so do we know when 20mb will go onto docsis 3 ?

It will start in January for the areas with 50Mb

[saabmania2]

Originally Posted by Maggy J

Completely off topic but I like the Avatar...

i take it your talking about mine i thought it was fitting and i will try harder

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Originally Posted by broadbandking

It will start in January for the areas with 50Mb

thanks that's good to know

Originally Posted by broadbandking

It will start in January for the areas with 50Mb

which areas are those as i can not find anything on the vm website

[qasdfdsaq]

Originally Posted by ufitm

which areas are those as i can not find anything on the vm website

The info isn't available yet.

Also I don't think 20 meg is actually going DOCSIS 3 as much as it's just being switched over to the new gear and will still run DOCSIS 2 (after all, the modems don't support DOCSIS 3).

I don't quite get how this is supposed to improve performance, could anyone explain? It's still running on the same shared HFC, it'll be running the same slow DOCSIS 2 standard, so unless this change is a move in frequency to the new DOCSIS 3 bands, I can't see how it helps. Yet wouldn't moving 10/20mbps it to share the DOCSIS 3 bands slow the DOCSIS 3 50mpbs users down because the modems only run DOCSIS 2?

[telfordcable]

yes i do agree that my modem ambit only support docsis 1.1, 2.0 and will not support 3.0 ??

how is vm going to move 20mb to docsis 3.0 then we all faced alots of problem with unsupport docsis 3.0 in our modem, or maybe vm throw in a free modem that support 50mb ??

Originally Posted by telfordcable

yes i do agree that my modem ambit only support docsis 1.1, 2.0 and will not support 3.0 ??

how is vm going to move 20mb to docsis 3.0 then we all faced alots of problem with unsupport docsis 3.0 in our modem, or maybe vm throw in a free modem that support 50mb ??

There are no plans to upgrade 20Mb to 50Mb, at the moment, 50Mb will be a separate product with a different modem that will be supplied when signing up for the 50Mb service at the increased subscription charge.

20Mb customers will continue using the same modems they have now, as this service will not move to docsis 3.0, yet.

[|Kippa|]

Just curious about bandwidth costs for Virgin Media as an ISP. So far as the costs go, if they streamed IPTV with the source being within the Virgin Media ISP network would it cost significantly less as opposed to to streaming IPTV content that is not sourced via the internal network and connected to the outside internet?

[Turkey Machine]

Originally Posted by telfordcable

yes i do agree that my modem ambit only support docsis 1.1, 2.0 and will not support 3.0 ??

how is vm going to move 20mb to docsis 3.0 then we all faced alots of problem with unsupport docsis 3.0 in our modem, or maybe vm throw in a free modem that support 50mb ??

You've completely misunderstood what's been written. 50Mbit customers will have a DOCSIS 3 modem. Everyone else has a DOCSIS 2 capable modem. The *infrastructure* (i.e cables, UBRs, gateways etc) is moving to DOCSIS 3 *which happens to be DOCSIS 2 compatible, but not DOCSIS 1, which is what is currently active*.

Read up on DOCSIS: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DOCSIS

[popper]

actually, Docsis3 IS backward compatable all the way back to 1.0 Turkey Machine

Originally Posted by telfordcable

yes i do agree that my modem ambit only support docsis 1.1, 2.0 and will not support 3.0 ??

how is vm going to move 20mb to docsis 3.0 then we all faced alots of problem with unsupport docsis 3.0 in our modem, or maybe vm throw in a free modem that support 50mb ??

what package of broadband are you on never got any where near that and i am on 20 meg al package

[popper]

Originally Posted by qasdfdsaq

The info isn't available yet.

Also I don't think 20 meg is actually going DOCSIS 3 as much as it's just being switched over to the new gear and will still run DOCSIS 2 (after all, the modems don't support DOCSIS 3).

I don't quite get how this is supposed to improve performance, could anyone explain? It's still running on the same shared HFC,

it'll be running the same slow DOCSIS 2 standard, so unless this change is a move in frequency to the new DOCSIS 3 bands, I can't see how it helps.

Yet wouldn't moving 10/20mbps it to share the DOCSIS 3 bands slow the DOCSIS 3 50mpbs users down because the modems only run DOCSIS 2?

its pritty simple, all the NTL256/VM250 cable modems have Docsis2.0a chipsets but VM or those before them,never used the DS2.0a capabilitys, only DS1 to the other end of the wire (check your internal CM page logs,you will see thay getgiven a DS1.0 config file)and the UBR cards only talked DS1, the new UBR cards can obviously talk DS2.0B/DS3.0 and so can also do the old DS2.0a to the slower 20Mbit Cable modems DS2.0a chipsets then.

put simply, by moving all the NTL256/VM250's the new DS2.0B/DS3.0 infrastructure,means VM can finally talk DS2.0a (the old DS2) on the new DS2.0B/DS3 infrastructure.....

that means better potential bandwidth use and better upload rates if they see fit to rearange some channels etc, its been taked about, and for a long time in the other two long standing 50Mbit DS3 threads here....

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Originally Posted by telfordcable

yes i do agree that my modem ambit only support docsis 1.1, 2.0 and will not support 3.0 ??

how is vm going to move 20mb to docsis 3.0 then we all faced alots of problem with unsupport docsis 3.0 in our modem, or maybe vm throw in a free modem that support 50mb ??

your modem will eventually be taking DS2.0a rather than the current DS1.0 its taking to your UBR card right now....

so you or rather VM, can finally start taking advantage of the DS2.0a spec your Ambit NTL256/VM250 chipset can do.

to be clear, they wont be talking DS2.0B/DS3.0, but talking the old DS2.0a and thats a big improvment over the old DS1.0 options, and they can only do this when they are moved over to the new DS3 and fully backward compatable infrastructure OC.

[mojo8850]

Hi There..

This is what I am told on my last talk with the tech side of virgin media..
20MB Users going to 50MB no charge same price as far as they are aware of, However there is the STM which will reduce it all the way down to 12.5MB once it has capped.
Which mean you loose almost 3 quaters of the line..

[telfordcable]

tech support got it all wrong information, the 20mb users will not going to be 50mb. it seperator as 50mb will be xxl and cost more than 20mb.

[mojo8850]

So we are assuming there will be a cap, if so we loose 3 quaters of the line..
Why pay so much but not get the line your suppose to get

just been told 2 differnet things 1 from india 50meg will be £47.50p
1 from uk it is going to be a free upgrade , that was from a man who is waiting for it
him self