Virgin's 50Mb broadband arriving December 15?

[Horace]

Newzbin and their like brought a lot of unwanted attention and a fixed target for Usenet haters, if they do go down it will be beneficial for the future of Usenet and not the opposite.
As for providers going down, well if the worst happens at least two of the biggest have server farms in Europe now and I'm sure they'll move to Sweden if that's what it takes.
You can't kill Usenet, you can only chop off one of the thousands of re-growing limbs.

[chamoan]

Originally Posted by broadbandking

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That is the area that is most likely to get it first

And you get this idea from where I might ask? Considering the midlands is usually always near the last to get updated.

[spiderplant]

It's already announced that Dudley will get it first.

The midlands is a huge area with many regions of the VM network (12 if I've counted right), so different parts will get it at different times. Someone has to be first, someone last, most will be somewhere in the middle. That's life.

[chamoan]

Do you have a link to the rollouts plz?

Originally Posted by chamoan

Do you have a link to the rollouts plz?

Not published yet, looks like Monday the 15th is the day everyone will find out and remember the 10Mb rollout.

Originally Posted by whydoIneedatech

Not published yet, looks like Monday the 15th is the day everyone will find out and remember the 10Mb rollout.

I do remember the 10Mb-20Mb rollout & if anything like, this will definitely be a subject to avoid looking at...

first people will whinge until VM publish a schedule

then they will whinge because their area isn't yet included on the schedule

then when their area does have a tentative date announced they will whinge because it runs over the estimate.

Then they do get the service, they will whinge because it isn't what they expected ....

Originally Posted by homealone

I do remember the 10Mb-20Mb rollout & if anything like, this will definitely be a subject to avoid looking at...

first people will whinge until VM publish a schedule

then they will whinge because their area isn't yet included on the schedule

then when their area does have a tentative date announced they will whinge because it runs over the estimate.

Then they do get the service, they will whinge because it isn't what they expected ....

Only the British can whinge about virtually anything but still eventually accept the offering.

[Sambora]

Originally Posted by whydoIneedatech

Only the British can whinge about virtually anything but still eventually accept the offering.

No, that is an English trait.

[popper]

Originally Posted by peanutkp

Are they thinking they'll be making money from the fact there there will be no STM or the speed of 50mb? What can 50mb do in a normal (realistic) household than a 20mb (with no STM) can't do.

thats easy, finally get to use a reasonable upload rate so it should allow you to run more PC,360,PS3 games servers to more of your friends and hopefully still leave enough upload bandwidth return path for smooth streaming of your early US "fringe/Hero's" Tv episodes streaming

or get those cristmas videos remote uploaded to grannys IPTV server you gave her last cristmas a little faster, do a lot more video live streaming to and from your relatives/friends on the other side of the country/abroad,etc.....

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Originally Posted by Horizon

Go to their website and have a look yourself, half the stuff is missing. They're getting sued by the American film studios.

Sorry, but I don't share your confidence. Usenet was tolerated because internet speeds were never fast enough for anyone to get anything substantial from them. But that's all changed now. Hope I wrong, don't think I am.

you dont understand how Usenet works, its the old form of decentralised service, its just that most people are conned into thinking its a payed for service today, its not...and YOU CAN install your own personal Usenet server on your person computer TODAY....and share the content to whoever you like, just tell them about your server and give them peering/connection rights.

if every single zing and Usenet crew were to setup their own user usenet servers for instance, and everyone on VM/here were to peer/connect with them/their Vm given Ip No. then all the offered content would stay inside the VM internal network and be available as long as its kept on YOUR personal (freeNAS!)PC servers HD's.

OC there are also P2p Usenet servers around (as there are P2p web servers etc)so it doesnt have to stay on just VM OC, and can potentially be faster than a single upload rate if you find the right moden day P2p based self contained usenet server app....

old school Usenet overview
http://tgos.org/newbie/general3.html

[darkbeing]

Originally Posted by Enuff

Any idea how much it'll cost?

too much

[qasdfdsaq]

Originally Posted by peanutkp

Are they thinking they'll be making money from the fact there there will be no STM or the speed of 50mb? What can 50mb do in a normal (realistic) household than a 20mb (with no STM) can't do.

Well for one you can watch two HD TV channels at a time. iPlayer is coming out in HD for example. In an average student flat around here, with 5-12 people, most time spent in front of the TV is spent arguing about which channel somebody else wants to watch. With VOD I can just watch it on my PC instead.

Yet with the STM on the 20meg as it is now, I can watch it for about an hour before I become throttled. God forbid, two people streaming at the same time and you'll be throttled in 30 minutes, and at the 75% throttle it'll be too slow for concurrent use. One person wants to watch iPlayer? Another on Youtube? Third person uploading to Facebook? Fourth wants to download some stuff of iTunes? At 5 meg, you're screwed. God forbid if the other 4 people in the flat want to do anything on the internet like, er, study...

[Horace]

Originally Posted by qasdfdsaq

Yet with the STM on the 20meg as it is now, I can watch it for about an hour before I become throttled.

The highest quality iPlayer stream comes in at 800kbps (360MB / hour). The threshold for STM on 20meg is 3gig. I take it you're not studying maths.

[qasdfdsaq]

You'll see at the beginning of my post that I am emphasising HD, I don't use iPlayer (which suppodly only accounts for 1.2% of online video anyway, I was only using it as an example), but that will be coming to HD soon as well. Based on my current experiences the bandwidth use is around 4-6mbps, which makes 1.8-2.7 gigs an hour. That matches well with iPlayer HD's expected usage, which is around 4 meg. A good quality broadcast stream takes over 10mbps. Again I'm assuming I won't be the only person using the line so even if I'm only hitting 2 gigs the other 7 people in the flat combined will inevitably tip us over the 3 GB threshold anyway. And my point again, two people want to watch TV (iplayer or otherwise) for an hour? Throttle. Once throttled only one person can stream at any sane quality without being impacted by anyone else doing literally anything on the connection. So again, with VOD expanding so quickly, in a shared household the current 20 meg service is actually quite limiting.

Some interesting related info:

"Unless I misunderstood his remarks during the Q&A panel later, I believe he said we should see some HD content on the iPlayer "this side of Christmas," probably encoded at around 4Mbps."

"The BBC is starting [an SDTV] trial of 1.5Mbps H.264 on the iPlayer to Virgin Media's 10,000 50Mbps trial customers in Ashford, Kent."

"The BBC's view is that the minimum threshold bitrate for HD is >3Mbps (though it's interesting to note that their "true" broadcast HD content goes out at 16Mbps or higher)"

Virgin Media themselves admit that IPTV is now "driving network bandwidth" as a whole, and certainly everyone in my household uses it. When we can. If we're not throttled... 50 meg can't come soon enough as far as I'm concerned.

[saabmania2]

so do we know when 20mb will go onto docsis 3 ?

[Maggy J]

Completely off topic but I like the Avatar...