rubbish bandwidth of ADSL - 100kb while 8Gb expected

[Zdenek K]

Guys (and girls, if any) - stop pushing the words that were not told into my mouth. I never stated that I transfer gigabyte files all the time. I do need high bandwidth - for transfering a gigabyte or two every second day or so. I do not share files (running emule is not being equal to sharing anything) and, when I download anything what is not urgent I do it off peak hours. I also do not expect miracles like 8Mbit every single second of every day to any location in the world. The real problem is that when I do need to transfer single one gigabyte big file I need it fast. ETA for that was 29 hours yesterday! Believe me or not - there are online gamers transfering more in terms of amount of data. And, whatever VM says, http wad also throttled. And mobile dial-up connection was faster than VM 8Mbit broadband yesterday.

I can see no answer for my question, so one more time - any reasonable ADSL providers in MK area? Please notice I don't ask for available ones - VM is also "any", but it does not seem to be reasonable, right?

[homealone]

You are mistaken if you think that running emule does not involve sharing files - sharing is how peer to peer programs work

[CrowmanUK]

I got out of my DSL contract after 6 weeks with them mate, it all depends on when you signed up, when I signed up it was supposedly a minimum of 512kb/sec if you got traffic managed, but it was actually 80kb/s which made a big difference, I got in touch with the ISPA and Virgin got back to me within 2 days to sort out the problem. I got released from my 12 month contract without penalty, mind you I got a letter off them a while back saying I owed them 180 quid, quick phone call later and it was sorted out, turns out one department hadnt contacted another to tell them I owed nothing.

ISPA address http://www.ispa.org.uk/

My thread http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/12...anagement.html

Virgin ADSL is the worst of the worst, I know the cable boys moan about traffic management but if they got this then they'd have something to moan about.

1Gb every other day is quite a bit but not necessarily excessive but isn't eMule P2P? Am I wrong in thinking that can use a LOT of bandwidth? I don't know anything about Virgin ADSL - I have cable and am very satisfied. Is P2P allowed under the T&C?
Have you asked Virgin if there is is Traffic Shaping on your account and if so, why?
If there isn't then there is something wrong. If there is then ask why and see if you are breaking the T&C. If you are then there isn't a lot you can complain about. If you're not then hopefully V will do something about it.

Originally Posted by Zdenek K

(running emule is not being equal to sharing anything) and, when I download anything what is not urgent I do it off peak hours.

What is eMule?


As of today, eMule is one of the biggest and most reliable peer-to-peer file sharing clients around the world. Thanks to it's open source policy many developers are able to contribute to the project, making the network more efficient with each release.

http://www.emule-project.net/home/perl/general.cgi?l=1

Looks like, tastes like and smells like P2P

[Fatec]

Originally Posted by Zdenek K

Guys (and girls, if any) - stop pushing the words that were not told into my mouth. I never stated that I transfer gigabyte files all the time. I do need high bandwidth - for transfering a gigabyte or two every second day or so. I do not share files (running emule is not being equal to sharing anything) and, when I download anything what is not urgent I do it off peak hours. I also do not expect miracles like 8Mbit every single second of every day to any location in the world. The real problem is that when I do need to transfer single one gigabyte big file I need it fast. ETA for that was 29 hours yesterday! Believe me or not - there are online gamers transfering more in terms of amount of data. And, whatever VM says, http wad also throttled. And mobile dial-up connection was faster than VM 8Mbit broadband yesterday.

I can see no answer for my question, so one more time - any reasonable ADSL providers in MK area? Please notice I don't ask for available ones - VM is also "any", but it does not seem to be reasonable, right?

Did you not read my reply?

http://www.samknows.com click availability checker, enter your postcode and it will tell you what ISP's are available in you're area!

[CrowmanUK]

Doesnt matter whats running, when I was having problems the guy from tech support said if you use more than around 5Gig a week you'll fall into the traffic management and get 80kb/s between 4pm and midnight for a week. You cant even surf the net on 8KB/sec, even the missus who only looks at a few forums gave up, I was dubious about the way they measure your usage too, I absolutely made sure I was downloading anything of any size outside "peak" times and still got stm'd.
If you're going to stay with them get a good bandwidth monitor, one that you can make a report that shows what you downloaded by the hour, not just by the day, but best of luck trying to convince them that you used the bandwidth out of peak time.

[Fatec]

Originally Posted by CrowmanUK

Doesnt matter whats running, when I was having problems the guy from tech support said if you use more than around 5Gig a week you'll fall into the traffic management and get 80kb/s between 4pm and midnight for a week. You cant even surf the net on 8KB/sec, even the missus who only looks at a few forums gave up, I was dubious about the way they measure your usage too, I absolutely made sure I was downloading anything of any size outside "peak" times and still got stm'd.
If you're going to stay with them get a good bandwidth monitor, one that you can make a report that shows what you downloaded by the hour, not just by the day, but best of luck trying to convince them that you used the bandwidth out of peak time.

Dont forget they have application throttling as well...which from previous memories just having anything that uses p2p open would cripple the connection (if its at peak times)

As for the 8Kb/s, it's a little white lie, they do the same as tiscali and put you on a "badboy bandwith" range where you share upto 8Kb/s with the rest of them...8Kb/s itself is enough to browse simple web pages, 0.56Kb/s however is not

[Zdenek K]

Ah, ISPA is great. That's what I was looking for and what I will use. Many thanks for ointing that.

Has anyone noticed that VM policy of choosing users to throttle has not much to do with fair-sharing bandwidth? From VM web site: "Each week we review our top 5% heaviest peak-time users over the previous 7 days. We then update the refreshed customer list to our servers for traffic shaping." Please notice that: 1) 5% of customers will be throttled to 1% of their possible speed even when plenty of spare capacity is available; 2) throttling these 5% does not guarantee any improvement for remaining users, as released bandwidth can be eaten by remaining 95% users in a moment. So, in case of having spare bandwidth available, customers are punished just cause VM decides that and no gain other than VM satisfaction. In case when links are saturated by not throttled user small benefit can be gained (per user it's random BTW, not fair, as VM states), but not throttled users will still feel bad level of service, although a bit better. Hitting what VM states this policy do - that throttled users release enough bandwidth for everyone else to have reasonable service - is simply matter of luck. So what is all of that about? As VM (and every other ISP) pays for traffic exchanged with other providers it's simply about reducing overall traffic and hence costs. So, when you're said "we throttle some users to sustain reasonable level of service to everyone" put "we throttle some users to keep bigger share of their fees to ourselves, but, as that would start huge revolt, be claim that our goal is improved customer service" in that place.

Anybody here agrees with VM that delivering 1% of what was promised it an improvement?

[CrowmanUK]

Trust me Trax, 8k is not enough to browse simple web pages, which is why I pointed out that the missus only looks at forums, no graphics, no flash, no whizzes, bangs or pops and even she gave up. And if like me you're used to looking at a few pages at the same time then you've got no chance, application throttling if memory serves me correctly knocks you down to 20KB/sec during peak times, 3 or 4 pm till 1am, if he's down to 80kb/sec its traffic management.

My first modem was a Dowty Quatro 2400Baud which ran at a max of 2,4k and only cost £799.

If it was good enough for me then it should be good enough for you now.

I don't know, the youth of today...

I think I'll just stick to my 20Meg and get out before the flames get to hot.

[Broadbandings]

Good isn't it, top 5% every week get shaped, go elsewhere, next 5%, next 5%.

Pretty soon loading up Facebook more than once a week will get you in that 5%.