Cloned Modems and STM - Page 3

Angry@VMedia · 10-07-2008, 15:59

Now I'm sure at least most of the post above is NOT allowed to be discussed on here
Mod/Admin informed!

11-07-2008, 15:49

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Originally Posted by broadbandbug

It can and has been done... There are other network issues that are stopping a full network deployment..
These are being dealt with and once in place the full rollout will be re-commenced.

And we will give it a month before they find a new way around it.

It would be alot eaiser to permanent disconnect them (properly, not just unplug @ UBR, cut far enough down so it cant be re connected)

Toto · 11-07-2008, 15:52

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Originally Posted by David F

all it takes is 1 precedent to be set where a defendant can convince a court that the crime was not committed by them. TBH proving illegal data transfer to or from the pc would be easy simply by inspecting the hdds on said defendants machines which the police would do in the case of criminal prosecution or the defendant could request in the case of civil.

The customer could do this himself before it even got that far if he had the cash, then present that data to the judge at the court hearing.

Now that would have a very interesting outcome.

broadbandbug · 11-07-2008, 18:57

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Originally Posted by TraxData

And we will give it a month before they find a new way around it.

It would be alot eaiser to permanent disconnect them (properly, not just unplug @ UBR, cut far enough down so it cant be re connected)

Would be best.. But then they couldnt have a 'quick start' process for connecting properties that have previously been connected.

11-07-2008, 19:00

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Originally Posted by broadbandbug

Would be best.. But then they couldnt have a 'quick start' process for connecting properties that have previously been connected.

Considering the amount of money that would be saved by cutting cloners off it shouldnt be so much of a problem.

Sirius · 11-07-2008, 19:09

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Originally Posted by Toto

The customer could do this himself before it even got that far if he had the cash, then present that data to the judge at the court hearing.

Now that would have a very interesting outcome.

And you can bet there are members of this forum that have the knowledge to be able to stand up in court and defend themselves fully should they get a letter and they believe that there modems mac address could have been cloned and used for file sharing.

For instance i keep a full record of the data through my modem in graphical and text format and can show when i have been STM'd and yet there have been NO throughput all day due to my PC being switched off.

A look at what i store in my router.

darthlinux · 11-07-2008, 19:12

93+GB sirius WOW

11-07-2008, 19:14

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Originally Posted by darthlinux

93+GB sirius WOW

I dont keep router stats/logs anymore, no need.

But this is my giga stats from just 1 day (fresh format)

So yes, sirius is a light user

Sirius · 11-07-2008, 19:15

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Originally Posted by darthlinux

93+gb sirius wow

ssshhh

Dont tell everyone

Blue ray

pippincp · 12-07-2008, 16:06

A cloned modem would never cause anyone to be accused of illegal file sharing nor would it cause STM problems for the legitamate customer. The clone would have a MAC address from a modem in a different area of the network.

Martyn · 12-07-2008, 16:18

this is why we have this traffic management thing in place, if they got of there arses and did something about it, it would beneifit the real customers more.

12-07-2008, 16:22

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Originally Posted by Martyn

this is why we have this traffic management thing in place, if they got of there arses and did something about it, it would beneifit the real customers more.

No, we have traffic management in place because VM cannot afford to upgrade the network to suit the new speeds, its much easier (and cheaper) to just put on traffic management and then put the basic minimum amount of money into getting the network upgraded.

pippincp · 12-07-2008, 16:30

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Originally Posted by Martyn

this is why we have this traffic management thing in place, if they got of there arses and did something about it, it would beneifit the real customers more.

Got to agree there. I don't condone cloning of any kind but at least I'm informed about it and don't blame that for me having been STM'D in the past when I was with VM.

Sirius · 12-07-2008, 16:34

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Originally Posted by pippincp

A cloned modem would never cause anyone to be accused of illegal file sharing nor would it cause STM problems for the legitamate customer. The clone would have a MAC address from a modem in a different area of the network.

No

If your mac is used then its YOUR mac that will be associated with the ip address at the dhcp level no matter which part of the network its on.

if they clone your mac 001122334455 then it is 001122334455 that will be tagged to the ip address when VM check the dhcp records

Toto · 12-07-2008, 16:48

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Originally Posted by TraxData

No, we have traffic management in place because VM cannot afford to upgrade the network to suit the new speeds, its much easier (and cheaper) to just put on traffic management and then put the basic minimum amount of money into getting the network upgraded.

Curious here, you say that STM is a means to keep upgrading costs to a minimum, what differences to network speed/capacity then does a minimum spend provide as opposed to a full spend?