Cloned Modems and STM - Page 2

Sirius · 09-07-2008, 15:35

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Originally Posted by piggy

also remember even though the stores people might be bad at counting and a few scallys might have stolen a few 700,000 have not gone missing.

They dont have to go missing. With the right software they can use any modem they want to.

I have seen samsungs, Motorola, Ambit, cisco modems for sale in the pubs and on Ebay all with 20 meg on them all confirmed to work.

They leaflet drop in my area then come round and set it up for you.

You can go to a well known computer fair in Manchester and get a modem and settop package if you want.

Have to agree that 700000 is a little over the top

I have asked this before but here we go again

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So how many of those that received a letter (bpi file sharing)would have been sent one not because they have been using Torrents but because someone using a cloned modem with there mac address had been using Torrents ?????

And to add to that what would there position be in a court of Law if there had to defend themselves ???.

piggy · 09-07-2008, 15:50

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Originally Posted by Sirius

They dont have to go missing. With the right software they can use any modem they want to.

I have seen samsungs, Motorola, Ambit, cisco modems for sale in the pubs and on Ebay all with 20 meg on them all confirmed to work.

They leaflet drop in my area then come round and set it up for you.

You can go to a well known computer fair in Manchester and get a modem and settop package if you want.

Have to agree that 700000 is a little over the top

I have asked this before but here we go again

Quote:
So how many of those that received a letter (bpi file sharing)would have been sent one not because they have been using Torrents but because someone using a cloned modem with there mac address had been using Torrents ?????

And to add to that what would there position be in a court of Law if there had to defend themselves

in answer to your question the burden of proof appears in this case to be on the accused, guilty until proved innocent because the isp and bpi said so!!

Sirius · 09-07-2008, 15:56

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Originally Posted by piggy

in answer to your question the burden of proof appears in this case to be on the accused, guilty until proved innocent because the isp nad bpi said so!!

Sorry the question was not aim at you but at all.

The problem with cloned modems is that someone could end up with a big fine because they had no idea that some thieving scum bag has stolen there Mac address and is downloading from the torrent sites in perfect safety, Because the original owner of the Mac address and ip will be the one that gets the letter.

**David F** · 09-07-2008, 16:06

all it takes is 1 precedent to be set where a defendant can convince a court that the crime was not committed by them. TBH proving illegal data transfer to or from the pc would be easy simply by inspecting the hdds on said defendants machines which the police would do in the case of criminal prosecution or the defendant could request in the case of civil.

Stuart W · 09-07-2008, 16:07

Colour me stupid, but how does the same MAC address connect to the same network TWICE?

By my understanding, if someone had my modem cloned somewhere, EITHER he could connect OR me.

How could we both get any IP routing done if there are 2 identical hardware addresses on the same network?

Sirius · 09-07-2008, 17:39

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Originally Posted by Stuart W

Colour me stupid, but how does the same MAC address connect to the same network TWICE?

By my understanding, if someone had my modem cloned somewhere, EITHER he could connect OR me.

How could we both get any IP routing done if there are 2 identical hardware addresses on the same network?

To be honest if that information was given out here i think the mods will remove it (Its just to much information). The cloners have found ways and means to keep themselves supplied with daily fresh supplies of mac address's. They have ways of keeping there modems working just the same as they have ways of keeping there Settops working when ever there is a change in the system.

pippincp · 09-07-2008, 17:49

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Originally Posted by Stuart W

Colour me stupid, but how does the same MAC address connect to the same network TWICE?

By my understanding, if someone had my modem cloned somewhere, EITHER he could connect OR me.

How could we both get any IP routing done if there are 2 identical hardware addresses on the same network?

The network is devided into areas, it means 1 MAC address per area therefore you could have over 100 cloned modems all with the same MAC address as long as they are in different areas.

Stuart W · 09-07-2008, 18:19

Then Virgin have only themselves to blame.

If it was my network, I'd make sure ALL MAC addresses stay in my own ARP table.
Problem solved.

Chrysalis · 10-07-2008, 07:05

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Originally Posted by piggy

35% of 2 million = 700,000 cloned modems... ok you win

sounds about right, I know 20 odd people cloning. Its like a plague in some areas. In addition there is kids mums selling dodgy tv boxes to other parents at the school my sister takes her kids to and they managing to sell some every day.

eth01 · 10-07-2008, 07:08

this post is getting slightly OTT. let's calm down?

btw -- i just had some kellogs with sugar.

ceedee · 10-07-2008, 08:01

Doesn't VM have a phoneline to anonymously leave information about users and sellers of cloned modems?
If not, why not?

JohnM · 10-07-2008, 09:27

There is a fraud dept. Ring CS and they'll put you through.

mark233a · 10-07-2008, 09:29

I don't really think VM care about these cloned modems, it would be very easy to setup some sort of mechanism to scan and drop these modems or even restrict mac to certain areas. After all they have invested a lot of money in to their STM software.

broadbandbug · 10-07-2008, 10:42

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Originally Posted by mark233a

I don't really think VM care about these cloned modems, it would be very easy to setup some sort of mechanism to scan and drop these modems or even restrict mac to certain areas. After all they have invested a lot of money in to their STM software.

It can and has been done... There are other network issues that are stopping a full network deployment..
These are being dealt with and once in place the full rollout will be re-commenced.

sarcastixx · 10-07-2008, 15:58

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