Maximum rates with daytime + evening STM in force

[Mad Ad]

Following the thread here about the rates we have to stay under to not trip evening STM, and hot off the announcement that the daytime STM is fully rolled out, here are the new line speed figures with both STM periods taken into account.

This is the maximum amount of download you can get in a day, averaged across the day with the full daytime + evening STM added together. It is not possible to get more in a day from the same line.


XL = 13.75 meg is now sold as an upto 20 meg line

L (new) = 6.88 meg now sold as an upto 10 meg line

L (old) = 2.75 meg now sold as an upto 4 meg line

M = 1.58 meg now sold as an upto 2 meg line


Notes:

1) This is the absolute max you can get, if you have congestion or loss as well your rate will be even lower.

2) There is no way to get more other than purchasing a faster line.

3) Figures are based on 10 hours at the maximum throttle and 14 hours full tilt.

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Comment:

Whats actually happened is our 10 meg lines were uplifted to 20 meg, but if we use it, its clawed back using STM down to the figures given above.

To the naysayers and VM lovers that will be here shortly to rubbish the correctly calculated figures, I say this: 20 meg is called 20 meg because that is the average across the day when given the fixed GB limit that we had previously. The daily amount has been reduced to one quarter for 10 hours a day (except M, which is one half) so it is now impossible to transfer as much.

If you think differently, dont rant on, show your figures.

[Welshchris]

what the hell?????? lol

[Mad Ad]

LoL ok, the figures are what VM are now giving you for your money with the new STM.

If you bought a 20 meg line, its actually a 13.75 meg line when you work it out over a day.


If this is too complicated for a lot of you, please say and ill rewrite it to be more readable.

They should be required to advertise it this way.

[h3llb1tch]

Originally Posted by mojo

They should be required to advertise it this way.

Definitely.

In that case all ISP's should change the advertising its not gonna happen STM is here and will stay I see it as live with it or walk I for one can live with it

[Berealwith]

thanks for that working out Mad ad, i understand it i was in the area where it was tested (Preston) and boy it was bad. I walked mate. if i was in Iraq i would have firebombed my ISP hopefully with the bloodyminded idoiots i spoke to in it.

disclaimer:- not all cable ISP employies are idoits some do know thier job

[Pogo stick]

Don't know about everyone else but those figures sound pretty good to me. How many people are really going to be downloading full whack 24/7 on their BB connection? Generally users will only use it for a few hours a day at most and if they do it at low traffic periods they will almost definitely get the advertised rate

Ignoring contention issues, which will vary from region to region, and time of day (and because the original OP ignores these factors too) these figures mean XL customers would be able to download 1188Gb a day (or 1.18Tb)
i.e. 13.75Mb x 60seconds x 60minutes x 24hours.

Compare that with most other ISPs fixed download limits, now who thinks VM's service is 'limited'?

Originally Posted by Pogo stick

Don't know about everyone else but those figures sound pretty good to me. How many people are really going to be downloading full whack 24/7 on their BB connection? Generally users will only use it for a few hours a day at most and if they do it at low traffic periods they will almost definitely get the advertised rate

Ignoring contention issues, which will vary from region to region, and time of day (and because the original OP ignores these factors too) these figures mean XL customers would be able to download 1188Gb a day (or 1.18Tb)
i.e. 13.75Mb x 60seconds x 60minutes x 24hours.

Compare that with most other ISPs fixed download limits, now who thinks VM's service is 'limited'?

I think your missing the point.

STM does not affect people who download 24/7

The point is your not allowed to use the connection when you need it most (aka when your at home, from work, for example) as it'll get you stm'd, so the only time you can really download without being punished is overnight, for £37/month, it's simply not acceptable.

[Taf]

I do

Originally Posted by TraxData

I think your missing the point.

STM does not affect people who download 24/7

The point is your not allowed to use the connection when you need it most (aka when your at home, from work, for example) as it'll get you stm'd, so the only time you can really download without being punished is overnight, for £37/month, it's simply not acceptable.

Interesting Trax the people that wanna use the BBI when they get home are for checking emails, xbox live, online pc gaming so you dont get STM'D doing this well I never have its people who download certain content be it linux iso's but how many nights are you gonna download 3gb for (xl customers).
There are 3.5 million customers I bet atleast half of them have NEVER been stm'd.

Dont get wrong I think they should scrap the daytime as thats stupid and they should invest in the network but as you said b4 and is very well known they simple cnt afford it.

JUst made me think when you said when they get home they are stm, I think congestion is the main problem I wonder how much it would cost them to maintain a unstm'd network

Originally Posted by darthlinux

Interesting Trax the people that wanna use the BBI when they get home are for checking emails, xbox live, online pc gaming so you dont get STM'D doing this well I never have its people who download certain content be it linux iso's but how many nights are you gonna download 3gb for (xl customers).
There are 3.5 million customers I bet atleast half of them have NEVER been stm'd.

Dont get wrong I think they should scrap the daytime as thats stupid and they should invest in the network but as you said b4 and is very well known they simple cnt afford it.

JUst made me think when you said when they get home they are stm, I think congestion is the main problem I wonder how much it would cost them to maintain a unstm'd network

Err, i use xboxlive and got stm'd quite often, why? demos themself weigh in at 1.5-3gb on their own, hi-def trialers, updates, patches, iplayer, itunes, legal streaming user, i got 20Mbit because i want to do those things, but thanks to STM i could not, without getting 75% of the connection taken away from me.

Unacceptable.

How many nights? 3GB is not a big filesize in this day and age, it's as simple as that, despite the **** that VM pump out most people use that sort of bandwith these days, and contrary to what they say on their site "BT cannot keep up, but we can, basicaly" is as neil so politely put it, a load of *******s.

They cant afford it because they keep giving people high up 100+k/year bonuses...

[piggy]

this subject has been done to death and customers are still here so whats the conclusion?
people just like moaning or do 95% of people get a acepptable sevice 99% of the time, if its anything else people should try the green green grass of adsl because they dont have "UPTO" speeds do they.

Originally Posted by piggy

this subject has been done to death and customers are still here so whats the conclusion?
people just like moaning or do 95% of people get a acepptable sevice 99% of the time, if its anything else people should try the green green grass of adsl because they dont have "UPTO" speeds do they.

Alot of people i know who were with VM are now happy with Be/Ukonline actually.

Soon as daytime STM was complete i know personally of 22 people that cancelled!

I've tried ADSL+2...i got 19Mbit and i'm 1.5KM from exchange...

no 95% do not, 95% dont even know about STM because VM hide it and they get blamed thinking its their PC's etc.

Just look at the reaction on VM's on ngs about the daytime STM, yea sure...people who are on retention deals are staying, loyal customers have given up.

[piggy]

Originally Posted by TraxData

Alot of people i know who were with VM are now happy with Be/Ukonline actually.

Soon as daytime STM was complete i know personally of 22 people that cancelled!

I've tried ADSL+2...i got 19Mbit and i'm 1.5KM from exchange...

no 95% do not, 95% dont even know about STM because VM hide it and they get blamed thinking its their PC's etc.

Just look at the reaction on VM's on ngs about the daytime STM, yea sure...people who are on retention deals are staying, loyal customers have given up.

i do like your quotes i know 23 people who were with bt and now they are with virgin............but the bottom line is if people feel as though they are getting ripped off then leave, staying just makes them look stupid it is a free market place.