New STM/Virgin traffic managent confirmed - so that's why it's slow!

[hokkers999]

Originally Posted by cimt

It's people like you who cause VM to give download limits, what do you expect VM to do if you mean to go over the limit to **** them off? Offer to upgrade your service as long as you stop being a pain?

Actually what you meant to write was "it's people like you who have the nerve to actually use what they have paid for"

When you phrase it that way it looks different doesn't it?

You conveniently seem to forget that their is NO LIMIT, the service is advertised and sold as UNLIMITED. IF it isn't then sell it as such - you can download 40 gig a month or whatever.

If they can't do it at that price then up the price. If someone truly wants unlimited max speed downloads they can either pay or cut their usage. It's not that difficult really.

[Sput]

Originally Posted by hokkers999

Actually what you meant to write was "it's people like you who have the nerve to actually use what they have paid for"

When you phrase it that way it looks different doesn't it?

You conveniently seem to forget that their is NO LIMIT, the service is advertised and sold as UNLIMITED. IF it isn't then sell it as such - you can download 40 gig a month or whatever.

If they can't do it at that price then up the price. If someone truly wants unlimited max speed downloads they can either pay or cut their usage. It's not that difficult really.

Here, here. My sentiments exactly

[CrowmanUK]

work out how much you download as a percentage of what you could download if you left it running 24/7 and its nothing, hardly unlimited.

[Jelly]

Originally Posted by hokkers999

Actually what you meant to write was "it's people like you who have the nerve to actually use what they have paid for"

When you phrase it that way it looks different doesn't it?

You conveniently seem to forget that their is NO LIMIT, the service is advertised and sold as UNLIMITED. IF it isn't then sell it as such - you can download 40 gig a month or whatever.

If they can't do it at that price then up the price. If someone truly wants unlimited max speed downloads they can either pay or cut their usage. It's not that difficult really.

The service is sold as unlimited with an Acceptable Usage Policy. This AUP probably contains all the STM rules.

Your traffic is not limited, hokkers, but your download and upload speed is.

[hokkers999]

Originally Posted by Jelly

The service is sold as unlimited with an Acceptable Usage Policy. This AUP probably contains all the STM rules.

Your traffic is not limited, hokkers, but your download and upload speed is.

Right, so if I choose to download non stop 24/7 then that's my choice isn't it?

[homealone]

Originally Posted by hokkers999

Right, so if I choose to download non stop 24/7 then that's my choice isn't it?

subject to the AUP & the rules of STM then, theoretically, yes - but I would class that kind of approach to be analogous to someone leaving their bath tap running to waste all day, just because they pay water rates & are not metered....

To take one popular genre of download, HD television, blu-ray, etc has had (is having? ) a huge impact on media file sizes, but even so, the media still takes as long to watch, no matter what the resolution....

Just me, possibly, but I would struggle to find space for & actually watch the result of downloading even hi-res media 24/7 ???

[Jelly]

Originally Posted by hokkers999

Right, so if I choose to download non stop 24/7 then that's my choice isn't it?

It's a waste if you're doing it to boycott or otherwise annoy VM. You're not going to do anything other than slow your browsing and other downloads.

[Sput]

Originally Posted by hokkers999

Right, so if I choose to download non stop 24/7 then that's my choice isn't it?

Indeed it is. But so too are the consequences and, if it were me, I would not welcome the consequences so I would not download 24/7 - it's called self preservation!

[Sput]

It looks like my 20 meg service is being traffic managed again:-

Sat, 03 May 2008 18:29:12 GMT
1st 128K took 766 ms = 171112 Bytes/sec = approx 1424 kbits/sec
2nd 128K took 552 ms = 237449 Bytes/sec = approx 1976 kbits/sec
3rd 128K took 832 ms = 157538 Bytes/sec = approx 1311 kbits/sec
4th 128K took 662 ins = 197994 Bytes/sec = approx 1647 kbits/sec

This speed is about a tenth of what I should be getting!!

[|Kippa|]

To be honest if it is STM you should be at least getting 5mbit. There might be other issues at hand there.

[TheDon]

Originally Posted by hokkers999

Actually what you meant to write was "it's people like you who have the nerve to actually use what they have paid for"

When you phrase it that way it looks different doesn't it?

You conveniently seem to forget that their is NO LIMIT, the service is advertised and sold as UNLIMITED. IF it isn't then sell it as such - you can download 40 gig a month or whatever.

If they can't do it at that price then up the price. If someone truly wants unlimited max speed downloads they can either pay or cut their usage. It's not that difficult really.

You are paying for a contended service, if you want 20meg of gaurenteed bandwidth that you can use 24/7 then go get yourself a leased line, then you can come back and complain at how expensive they actually are. Instead you can "use what you pay for" which ISN'T a gaurenteed 20meg. It's a service that's capable of delivering a 20meg speed, with an average per subscriber speed of more like 1meg, quite possibly even lower.

The service *IS* unlimited, there is no limit to how much you can download, speed restrictions do not change it from being unlimited as at no point will your internet be cut if you reach an arbituary limit.

However you also have to understand that it is contended, that means that whilst there is no set limit to how much you can download, there is a limit to how much can be supplied to a set of customers at any one time. Incidently, the speed when you're capped by STM are still considerably higher than what you'd get if everyone was "using what they paid for".

You say up the price to offer "truly unlimited", but I doubt you truely understand just how much it costs to provided the dedicated bandwidth to each subscriber that would meet your definition of unlimited.

[Sput]

Originally Posted by |Kippa|

To be honest if it is STM you should be at least getting 5mbit. There might be other issues at hand there.

That possibility crossed my mind too. However, since I get 20 meg at other times of the day then the only conclusions I can arrive at is that the slow speed is caused by either traffic management or by an overloaded network. This is my latest speed test:-

Mon, 05 May 2008 08:10:22 GMT
1st 128K took 43 ms = 3048186 Bytes/sec = approx 25361 kbits/sec
2nd 128K took 49 ms = 2674939 Bytes/sec = approx 22255 kbits/sec
3rd 128K took 53 ins = 2473057 Bytes/sec = approx 20576 kbits/sec
4th 128K took 53 ins = 2473057 Bytes/sec = approx 20576 kbits/sec

[AndrewJ]

I for one am totally screwed at this, I share massive files over a private p2p network for the STBC community based on www.bcfiles.com and related sites for the private fan base and beta projects. All projects are legal and personal created mods, many of them though can be easily 4-6GB in size, and this explains why my speeds have become stupidly slow recently.

I for one plan on jumping ship, the moment Virgin Morons are open I shall be cancelling my service to find another ISP which can promise me at least a speed per day I can use non stop.

[ceedee]

Originally Posted by AndrewJ

I for one plan on jumping ship, the moment Virgin Morons are open I shall be cancelling my service to find another ISP which can promise me at least a speed per day I can use non stop.

Best of luck with that!

[Berealwith]

Originally Posted by AndrewJ

I for one am totally screwed at this, I share massive files over a private p2p network for the STBC community based on www.bcfiles.com and related sites for the private fan base and beta projects. All projects are legal and personal created mods, many of them though can be easily 4-6GB in size, and this explains why my speeds have become stupidly slow recently.

I for one plan on jumping ship, the moment Virgin Morons are open I shall be cancelling my service to find another ISP which can promise me at least a speed per day I can use non stop.

I couldn't agree more, those BIGOTS who have posted above have no idea why some people have 20mb connections, they are narrow minded and only have one way at looking at things. i bought 20mb to use it i have 4/5 people on a router here (the 5 person comes on when she comes home from uni) what the hell do they think i will do buy five 2mb connections (i think not) so get of the people who do use it..........and we all steam tv download a bit like most game online............what else do you think i have a 20mb for.................................

and this is why virgin gets up its ass about it..........they only pay for bandwith used not how many connections they have.....

which means if they properly cost their connections in reality they would never oversubscribe, so thats why they have to STM not because of the 5% of high users, because they want you to pay more and dont use your connection