Quote:
Originally Posted by BenMcr
I'm not quite sure why everyone is arguing about this.
Virgin could roll out all the 50Mb upgrades to the network tomorrow if they liked. It still would not matter until you can actually phone up Virgin and ask for the product.
Also, I would like to point out, one of the reasons that Virgin sometimes don't let staff know about stuff until it is official, is to stop things getting posted to the web before it should.
This is a case in point |
first thanks for pointing that thread out, i dont know how i missed that one.
as Trax said, its all about "the rollout of upgrades required to launch the 50mbit package."
you might have an aversion to leaks of information as it understandably might effect the increased calls to CS staff etc that dont know about it yet.
you have said it yourself though, not everyone reads the CF forums or any other tech sites that the info might find its way too, so not really a big problem is it!.
however that doesnt take away the facts, any, lets call it a "pre-rollout" if you like, has to be performed so as to then find a wider base of users to take the next step and confirm theres not going to be a massive collapse or meltdown of that section of the VM Broadband Network in a production environment, YES?
the very people VM could learn the most from, are
the very same people posting right here right NOW.
as we are many of the tech VM BB users, covering everything from the most basic to the most advanced cable etc,and are already in all the area's VM will eventually sell the produce and they can benefit from that cf feedback if they so choose directly.
iv tryed to get on the trials in the past to be helpful and give valid and real feedback or potential problems into the small circles conducting them.
but due to not being in the right areas were the the new Docsis2.0b/pre-docsis3.0 kit is installed iv never been able to do that, Traxdata and one other have non the less relayed my thoughts about Bronze/siver Multicast etc as it relates to the VM docsis3 certificates to those that know and hopefully been taken onboard.
if this VM were to take a selection of user from this board they would perhaps learn far more valuble lessons on what we want to pay for, and profit directly from that advice and feedback long term, rather than taking some random userbase that perhaps dont know or care about how it works, or what can be done with it in the future
if the selected kit had all the required options installed as standard from day one.
there are masses of people on the VM network that are not techy and dont know what they want until they see something in actuality, but once they see its advantages, they too learn to use it to its full advantage, YES?
as a techy poster , i have gone looking to see whats available right now off the shelf and in SOC (System On a Chip)form to be made into a commisioned product, and how it might be of benefit to me as a user if VM were to impliment it and offer as a product to me.
iv also put myself in VMs shoes and tryed to find ways they might do it and make a reasonable profit in the process over the long term (hence my aversion to recomend this new yet antiquated VM 11g wireless product just as everyone else is moving to 11N see
Cheap Draft 802.11n Router Roundup to get end user priced 11n kit for around the same price as the VM 11g price if you come off the package before 12 months is up for instance ).
while generally speaking, the exC&W/exWHATEVER hardware functions to a usable level and is stable, the facts are in the recent past, many (ex-pre)Virgin Media selected tech has been way behind the basic curve in it's hardware implimentation never mind the advanced curve and thats a fact.
and so its reasonable to assume that the same internal faulty mindset from people inside still exists, and will infact take the short term cheapest options for maximum short term return in the current rollouts, i really hope im wrong on that , but the past actions are clear to see and judge.
rolling out new antiquated VM Mpeg2 only STBs when everyones in the EU are moving to dual AVC/Mpeg2.
rolling out new antiquated 11g wireless routers when everyone else is moving to 11n.
shipping docsis2 stand alone cable modems without upgrading the docsis1.1 UBR cards at the other end, so as to give the impression it will run faster.
the inept restriction of allowing only one cable modem per account, thats just a classic new brand-new thinking, from the faulty people inside VM mindset and throwing potential good extra cash profits away for no good reason.
the fact that every single VM STB has a totally seperate built-in cable modem today, and yet other than exC&W they didnt see fit to use that, not even as a secondary low spec BB connection on every single account which they can make extra profit on, and/or as a extra bonus free/cheap package, it's powered plug into the UBr, and available right now, with a simple config file sent to it today....pure VM profit for free, but not offered to the userbase as a package, madness.
and thats just the obvious, given the above, the docsis3 potential, and the AVC STB as a streaming multicast video central home entertainmment system not to mention the potential for a cheap generic wireless 11n/wimax chip/SOC fitted to any new VM STB doesnt seem like a viable long term option for the Virgin Media's users use.....does it.
some real 'new thinking' using existing off the shelf kit or a commisioned box for the long term expansion of VM services makes perfect sense, but how do you get around the internal faulty mindset or the short term penny counters employed by VM?.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by whydoIneedatech
I do and your chatting hits ( I believe my previous word was mis- spelt ) and winding people up by having them believe that tomorrow they can order 50 meg, your April Fool joke is 19 days late. 
Even if you just point out that they are upgrading the infrastructure so to encompass 50 meg which has been ongoing since before the 50 meg announcement, this thread is basically in place as a wind up, because what is actually happening with regards to the 50 meg rollout is mostly common knowledge.
Full training of TSC staff so that the service can be supported, and full training of Customer services and Sales staff so they can provide the relevant level of service required will happen before a 50 meg service is put on sale to anyone.
Anyone who is stupid enough to say the above staff are the last to know should think about that comment, what do you want trained staff who know your product or surprised staff who are the last to know about a new product. |
your thinking or knowledge is in error apparently, do you also consider this ongoing general tech, docsis 2.0b/3.0, 50 Mbit thread #
144 full of information as an april fool?, while its still april it might be foolish to imply its a windup given all the collected facts and information so far.
Ohh and by the way, you are aware VM themselves are infact already advertising this 50Mbit service on their web pages as pointed out by guess who
Traxdata
and it wasnt april or the 1st,
21-03-2008
http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/10...l#post34511603
"
When does up to 50Mb broadband arrive?
We’re planning
to start rolling out up to 50Mb broadband later in the year.
We’ll be bringing it to our cable customers region-by-region – and we’ll be posting the dates for each region on our website closer to the time. Keep your eyes peeled to our website for more details....."
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Originally Posted by broadbandbug
VM are not going pre-DoCSIS 3.0.. They will launch with full 3.0 compliant CPE.. More Traxdata rubbish info 
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There has been no official upgrade rollout yet.. |
interesting, and why exactly are you assuming this
full 3.0 compliant CPE?
the facts are, there is of course, currently
'ONE' single CPE bonded docsis3.0 cable modem with official docsis certification.
produced by
a non mainstream modem provider that is VERY unlikely to be in a position to ramp up commercial world wide production before the end of 2008 if ever.
http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/10...l#post34456487
and even then, that limited bonded docsis CPE production will most likely find its way to the already rolling out to the end users in the US
http://www.xchangemag.com/hotnews/co...-deployme.html
Comcast Details Its First DOCSIS 3.0 Deployment.
Bob Wallace
04/04/2008
Comcast Corp. has announced its first deployment of DOCSIS 3.0 technology, in Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minn., which it claims enables it to offer residential and business customers downstream Internet access speeds of up to 50mbps and upstream speeds of up to 5mbps — its fastest access offering.
....
In a separate but related development,
Time Warner Cable is expected to begin deploying DOCSIS 3.0 later this month, according to a report released today by
New Paradigm Resources Group.
....
"
and while the
Motorola’s DOCSIS 3.0-based SURFboard SB6120 cable modems are not fully certifyed only having Bronze as is the case for all the others (with one other i think having siver), JComs network being deployed for end users could just as well make use of the fully certifyed kit before the UK VM do OC.
as far as i know right now, the SB6120 isnt software upgradeable to the full spec and so might not even make it to silver certification...
http://www.convergedigest.com/DSL/la...?ID=24186&ctgy=
"Japan's J:COM Deploys Motorola's DOCSIS 3.0
Jupiter Telecommunications (J:COM), Japan’s largest multiple system operator (MSO), has selected Motorola’s channel bonding technology to deploy the company’s first DOCSIS 3.0-based Cable Modem Termination System (CMTS) and cable modems. Specifically, the deployment uses Motorola’s DOCSIS 3.0-based BSR 64000 CMTS/Edge Router and SURFboard SB6120 cable modems. Financial terms were not disclosed. Motorola said its solution is capable of delivering up to 160Mbps throughput to residential and commercial customers. "
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