50Mbit Rollout Has Started - Page 13

AndrewJ · 08-05-2008, 13:53

Thank you for common sense.

Unless the 20MB will become the 50mb which I doubt very much their will become four tiers and thus forth my email makes sense.

**Kevin T** · 08-05-2008, 19:10

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Originally Posted by AndrewJ

Thank you for common sense.

Unless the 20MB will become the 50mb which I doubt very much their will become four tiers and thus forth my email makes sense.

But the e-mail says 'You will be migrated... at no extra charge' ergo you'll still be paying £37 for 50 Mb/s. He may be twisting the truth inasmuch as you will eventually be migrated when/if the tiers drop down to 3 again, but not immediately...

slowcoach · 08-05-2008, 20:38

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Originally Posted by Cobbydaler

But the e-mail says 'You will be migrated... at no extra charge' ergo you'll still be paying £37 for 50 Mb/s. He may be twisting the truth inasmuch as you will eventually be migrated when/if the tiers drop down to 3 again, but not immediately...

Thank you Cobbydaler.

AndrewJ, TbitP and Neil Berkett are both saying basically the same thing, which is what I was trying to point out by referring to the old message.

Mind you what the real outcome will be remains to be seen as there are a lot of options available.

snazzy · 08-05-2008, 22:40

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Originally Posted by MarcM

Why even bother when they clearly cant provide 20mb to all customers?

Can't provide 20mb? Dude, they can't even provide 2mb to me 50% of the time.

Chrysalis · 09-05-2008, 02:11

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Originally Posted by Druchii

Yes it is... Transferring across my home LAN, ACK packets add upto 2.6ish Mbps when transferring at around 75Mbps.

I think it depends on things like delayed and selective acks and maybe even also rwin size.

If I download at 5mbit (tcp rate) I use approx 170kbit upload but I have delayed acks disabled. If I multiply both by 10 for 50mbit down and 1700kbit upload it would indicate 1.5mbit upload isnt enough.

spiderplant · 09-05-2008, 07:42

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Originally Posted by Chrysalis

If I download at 5mbit (tcp rate) I use approx 170kbit upload but I have delayed acks disabled. If I multiply both by 10 for 50mbit down and 1700kbit upload it would indicate 1.5mbit upload isnt enough.

Multiplying by 10 isn't valid, because for the data to be acked at the same rate with your window size would also require the transit delay to be reduced by a factor of 10 (repeal the laws of physics!)

To make the most of a high speed link you HAVE to use a large window size.

Chrysalis · 09-05-2008, 17:56

Does a larger rwin reduce the ack traffic?

spiderplant · 09-05-2008, 21:39

It depends on the traffic profile, but in general, yes.

I predict a lot of "I'm not getting 50 meg" posts because of full window problems.

Druchii · 10-05-2008, 15:51

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Originally Posted by spiderplant

It depends on the traffic profile, but in general, yes.

I predict a lot of "I'm not getting 50 meg" posts because of full window problems.

And the fact 1.5Mb upload cannot support 50Mb, but in fact only 43Mb.

deed02392 · 10-05-2008, 19:35

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Originally Posted by Druchii

And the fact 1.5Mb upload cannot support 50Mb, but in fact only 43Mb.

Not visited the forums in a while. From this I gather that 50Mb is confirmed with 1.5Mb upload?

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Originally Posted by |Kippa|

£37 for 50mbit would be great! Even if the upload rate is crap. Personally I would be prepared to pay a little bit more for some more upload rate.

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slowcoach · 10-05-2008, 21:37

Since the local upgrades the other week I am getting 19Mb/s every day at any time (Servers and STM permitting) and the browsing speed is great so I am not in any hurry for 50meg anymore.

10-05-2008, 21:41

Why are people so happy to get ripped off? 50mbit...1.5mbit upload, its pathetic, its the worst down/up ratio in the whole of the UK, yet people are gonna pay 50/month for it, VM must love customers like you.

Even 2.5 up on 50mbit is pathetic and not worth 50/month.

deed02392 · 10-05-2008, 21:44

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Originally Posted by TraxData

Why are people so happy to get ripped off? 50mbit...1.5mbit upload, its pathetic, its the worst down/up ratio in the whole of the UK, yet people are gonna pay 50/month for it, VM must love customers like you.

Even 2.5 up on 50mbit is pathetic and not worth 50/month.

I agree, it's absolutely ludicrous. But will they do anything about it now the little board of directors have got together with their Chinese take away and spat out some numbers they don't even understand? I very much doubt it.

10-05-2008, 21:47

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Originally Posted by deed02392

I agree, it's absolutely ludicrous. But will they do anything about it now the little board of directors have got together with their Chinese take away and spat out some numbers they don't even understand? I very much doubt it.

They wont pay for the upgrades to provide higher uploads.

50mbit is just a product they are putting out to say "ner ner look at us, we're faster than you BT"

If they was serious about providing fast speeds you'd be seeing at least 5mbit upload.

deed02392 · 10-05-2008, 21:54

It's the sad truth, and it's also the reason they haven't bothered and probably never will bother to bring out some sort of upload+ package that would increase the upload on other existing packages. The truth is, all it does is increase potential bandwidth across their network, when 90%* of their customers wouldn't understand/care about the fact that it was there. However they haven't bothered to take into consideration the ever increasing 10%* of their customers who actually know what they're truly paying for. It's for this reason I'll be considering bethere if it ever becomes available in my area.

*Not actual statistics.