Would you move to a Non Phorm ISP - Page 5

ceedee · 20-04-2008, 09:20

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Originally Posted by Jelly

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VM do not have access to the software on the kit that will be fitted into the pop sites. So pray tell HOW will they know if phorm start to get up to there old tricks again.. ??????

Phorm can't afford to do that. They'd be found out and taken down.

How many users do you imagine would be able to detect, say, a malicious redirect? Or that they were harvesting credit card details?
And, given it took around 6 weeks before VM reluctantly published the statement on trial STM hours, how long do you think it would take to prove Phorm were up to their 'old tricks'?

GeoffW · 20-04-2008, 09:52

If and when VM activate Phorm I'll definitely leave, I have the free Sky broadband ready and waiting. Also as some others have mentioned, I'm getting pretty hacked off at the wall of silence from VM about the deployment.

Mick Fisher · 20-04-2008, 10:13

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Originally Posted by Jelly

I don't understand what you're saying.

Phorm can't afford to do that. They'd be found out and taken down.

Jelly.. are you for real or are you just winding us up.

I hope for your sake you are winding us up cause if you are not then you want to listen up, take off them rose tinted glasses, open up your eyes and see what is going on around you before you get taken for an almighty ride.

The World is not so much of a nice place and decidedly not as fair as you seem to think it is. In reality there are a lot of very greedy people out there who will eat you alive if you give them half a chance.

RizzyKing · 20-04-2008, 10:24

Jelly the system phorm is planning to implement right now they say it is for targeted ad's. That is the thin end of the wedge for what their system is ultimately capable of doing and that is the problem most of us have. Another big concern is once VM sign on the dotted line they effetively hand over all control with no real way to know what the hell is being done on their network. We have a government that is talking about monitoring all internet traffic and all of a sudden up pops phorm and it's targeted ad system please do some more research Jelly and find out what this system is all about maybe then you will understand the hostility we have towards it. Thats even if you believe that the days of 121media activity are finished which is a stretch.

Jelly · 20-04-2008, 11:21

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Originally Posted by ceedee

How many users do you imagine would be able to detect, say, a malicious redirect? Or that they were harvesting credit card details?
And, given it took around 6 weeks before VM reluctantly published the statement on trial STM hours, how long do you think it would take to prove Phorm were up to their 'old tricks'?

Virgin Media are responsible for what goes on their servers. They'd get rid of Phorm if it harmed people's computers.

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Originally Posted by Mick Fisher

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Thanks for that clichÃƒÂ©. Please don't try to teach me life lessons.

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Originally Posted by RizzyKing

Jelly the system phorm is planning to implement right now they say it is for targeted ad's. That is the thin end of the wedge for what their system is ultimately capable of doing and that is the problem most of us have. Another big concern is once VM sign on the dotted line they effetively hand over all control with no real way to know what the hell is being done on their network. We have a government that is talking about monitoring all internet traffic and all of a sudden up pops phorm and it's targeted ad system please do some more research Jelly and find out what this system is all about maybe then you will understand the hostility we have towards it. Thats even if you believe that the days of 121media activity are finished which is a stretch.

The system is there to deliver targeted advertising based on web traffic. I will not see the adverts and thus will be unaffected.

If loads of Virgin Media customers suddenly report unauthorised charges on their credit cards and bank accounts, who would be the prime suspect? Phorm. They're not going to try it.

ceedee · 20-04-2008, 11:59

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Originally Posted by Jelly

Virgin Media are responsible for what goes on their servers. They'd get rid of Phorm if it harmed people's computers.

It's won't be on "their servers" -- it'll be on Phorm's "gifted" servers that no VM staff have access to.

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The system is there to deliver targeted advertising based on web traffic. I will not see the adverts and thus will be unaffected.

You really believe that this is only about serving targeted adverts?
Go back and read the BBC interview with Sir Tim B-L?

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If loads of Virgin Media customers suddenly report unauthorised charges on their credit cards and bank accounts, who would be the prime suspect? Phorm. They're not going to try it.

You've not tried reporting a problem to VM lately, have you

Jelly · 20-04-2008, 12:11

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Originally Posted by ceedee

It's won't be on "their servers" -- it'll be on Phorm's "gifted" servers that no VM staff have access to.

Which can then be pushed out of the system if theres a problem.

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You've not tried reporting a problem to VM lately, have you

It won't be a problem so petty as to be reported to VM. The government and loads of watchdogs will be investigating when a huge ISP like Virgin has it's security comprimised

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Originally Posted by ceedee

You really believe that this is only about serving targeted adverts?
Go back and read the BBC interview with Sir Tim B-L?

That's the only problem I can see some people having. Your data isn't going to make them as much money as adverts.

RizzyKing · 20-04-2008, 12:25

Jelly do you work for phorm because other then phorm employees i havn't seen anyone that says the sort of stuff you do be it out of ignorance or plain out and out deception (phorm pr and suchlike). If you really believe what your saying on here then you either have not looked at the patent for the system phorm is planning to use or you are as i said an employee in someway. Do you really think any of us would waste our time on something as benign as you seem to think this is, we all have lives and a million other more important things to do then complain for the sake of complaining we object to this because of what it is and how badly it can impact us. Please go do some research before posting back.

Jelly · 20-04-2008, 12:27

Why should I research something that isn't going to affect me?

ceedee · 20-04-2008, 12:34

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Originally Posted by Jelly

Why should I research something that isn't going to affect me?

Because you could discover that you're disastrously wrong.

Jelly · 20-04-2008, 12:41

The majority of "research" I've seen quoted here is based on 121Media.

Gary L · 20-04-2008, 12:49

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Originally Posted by Jelly

The majority of "research" I've seen quoted here is based on 121Media.

It is also about the potential of what could happen to *our* collected data at a later date from a third party. the government thought their data was safe. we even thought it was safe.

kt88man · 20-04-2008, 13:03

@Jelly

Have you read the patent application that relates to Phorms technology?

http://www.freshpatents.com/Targeted...pe=description

It perhaps gives an indication of what direction this may take in the future.

Also, 121Media is still owned by phorm...

http://www.phorm.com/reports/MergerU...Phorm_2May.pdf

ceedee · 20-04-2008, 13:27

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Originally Posted by Jelly

The majority of "research" I've seen quoted here is based on 121Media.

I've not seen *any* research on CF based on 121Media.

Start reading, mate!

Sirius · 20-04-2008, 14:26

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Originally Posted by Mick Fisher

Jelly.. are you for real or are you just winding us up.

I hope for your sake you are winding us up cause if you are not then you want to listen up, take off them rose tinted glasses, open up your eyes and see what is going on around you before you get taken for an almighty ride.

The World is not so much of a nice place and decidedly not as fair as you seem to think it is. In reality there are a lot of very greedy people out there who will eat you alive if you give them half a chance.

Good Post

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Originally Posted by Jelly

Which can then be pushed out of the system if theres a problem.

It won't be a problem so petty as to be reported to VM. The government and loads of watchdogs will be investigating when a huge ISP like Virgin has it's security comprimised

That's the only problem I can see some people having. Your data isn't going to make them as much money as adverts.

You really need to stop this windup, Then wake up and smell the coffee because you are not for real.
I honestly think you are here to wind us up or do you work for a company who could do with a few backers for a change ??????.