STM Statement

Originally Posted by BarFly

Guys i got to ask a question :

Do you alter your internet usage that much due to STM ?

Yes.
My (surfing) speed is bobbins anyway.
During STM, if I allow it to kick in, I might as well switch the PC off.
As I need it for work a lot of the time, I tend to make sure I'm not STM'd.

[BarFly]

Originally Posted by kryogenik

Yes.
My (surfing) speed is bobbins anyway.
During STM, if I allow it to kick in, I might as well switch the PC off.
As I need it for work a lot of the time, I tend to make sure I'm not STM'd.

Ok without wanting to start a whole different thread on work usage / residential connection / business connection etc.

Would you modify your personal usage due to STM ?

[Berealwith]

Originally Posted by kryogenik

Yes.
My (surfing) speed is bobbins anyway.
During STM, if I allow it to kick in, I might as well switch the PC off.
As I need it for work a lot of the time, I tend to make sure I'm not STM'd.

Its not the STM i keep within this, Its so bad i cannot surf, in the way some bloke down the street can on 2mb ADSL.......really its that bad mate. I was a clan leader for 5 years and last year i had to give it up, my ping and connection was so rubbish. dont make me go there again. for 20mb was ace till this STM came in, trust me bud after hours on the phone i know.

[Sirius]

Originally Posted by BarFly

Guys i got to ask a question :

Do you alter your internet usage that much due to STM ?

I dont like STM, but i dont let it rule my internet usage, if i need to download something, i download it, regardless of time or size. It is very rare that i need something of size off the internet now, that i cant wait a little extra for ( should i be STM'd )...

If i want to use a torrents, i let it run, VM now manage the bandwidth usage for me, it doesnt matter if i let it run all day & night, VM are controlling the STM to ensure i dont impact others..

If i get STM'd, well i can still browse the web, play xbox live, use torrents etc so it doesnt affect my browsing habits or it doesnt affect my usage..

In a perfect world it wouldnt be there, but dont get upset over it, you've still got your connection, you can still use it, just a little patience is the key should you come under STM rules..

or i thinking bout this too simply..

I just wish they would reduce the amount i pay every time they reduce my speed ?

[Robbie G]

Originally Posted by Sirius

I just wish they would reduce the amount i pay every time they reduce my speed ?

Precisely!

Originally Posted by BarFly

Would you modify your personal usage due to STM ?

I'm sorry - how is this different from what you've already asked?

[Berealwith]

LOL just thinking out loud.......they have a "Daylight MOT" (as it says you can only drive in the hours of daylight) Looks like Virgin have "Unlimited Sleep Broadband". Lets hope you dont get them mixed up and sleep drive lol

[Maggy J]

I download very little overall and what I download monthly cannot possibly impinge on anyone else.It's also stuff that I've legitimately paid for or has been offered free.I do NOT use PTP at all.

I use my PC to render between 12 pm and 10 am and consequently I do not want to be downloading at that time.I'm rather resentful of being told when and how I can use my BB which I am paying for at full rate.It is NOT my fault if the system is overstretched.I've not forced VM/NTL to take on extra subscribers or to play fast and loose with funding or to waste money not upgrading the system.When I started with BB I wasn't told that I would have to be throttled,STMed and generally treated like a child..In fact I was told that BB would be faster than dial-up.

But then as I recall Cable and Wireless which predated NTL and VM promised me free 24/7 dial-up too and then reneged on that 3 months after I got it 18 months later than everyone else on C&W's books.

It seems to me that ISP's are the only group of business's that are allowed to make it up as they go along just by rewriting the T&C's as they go.

[bertles86]

So is the essence of this thread:

Virgin are soon enough going to roll out nationwide 24/7 STM on all broadband packages? Thats sh***e! So their unlimited connection will no longer exist?

[frogstamper]

In my opinion this is what this stm is all about, VM just cannot bring themselves to drop their ridiculous "unlimited" boast, obviously the network is overloaded and its having trouble coping with peoples needs, but still VM are spending a fortune on advertising taking ever more customers onto the network. As was mentioned earlier if VM were to inform us, the customer, that at a certain date in the near future when the network was upgraded that there would be no further need for stm, I think people would understand, or the majority would. But no, as usual VM are keeping us in the dark, playing their favourite card of blaming a few "greedy" people of using their connection to d/l a film or two, absolutely outrageous, these "greedy" people have paid for an "unlimited" service. Personally I'm of the opinion that I would rather pay on a basis of what I use, than forever worrying about going over my limit, if I were to pay for a 50mb service, I would expect to be able to use it without fear of being stm,d down to say what, 10mb. In finishing Id say to VM if you cant offer an "unlimited" service without so many caveats, change your pricing structure, so that people can use the speeds they pay for!!

Originally Posted by TraxData

there is other trials for downloading/uploading overnight as well,

I raised this issue in vm.feedback - Alex Brown, Senior Product Manager at Virgin Media says:

Incorrect. Not discussed, let alone proposed.

Originally Posted by kryogenik

I raised this issue in vm.feedback - Alex Brown, Senior Product Manager at Virgin Media says:

Read the newsgroup title saying STM statement and the current arguement going on there about the fact alex brown is a very well known liar, i wouldnt believe anything he comes out with, he lied about the original STM trials, he lied about them being rolled out nationally, he lied about these trials saying they didnt exist, quite simply put, he is full of brown stuff...

Oh.

Well, I'm not in a position to comment on that.
I was just replied to on this issue by Alex Brown and thought it worth posting.

Dunno who/what to believe these days. So many reports of this and that, it's frankly mind-boggling. Support staff ducking and weaving, people 'in the know' coming out with bad news after bad news and now someone very senior publicly stating something that's apparently lies?
I give up.

His name has come up a few times on here i believe, he contradicts most of what he says a few weeks later, during the original trial phase of STM, he was head of the trials yet denied all existence of them, said he knew nothing of it, till i corrected him...which sparked an arguement within the groups...as other people had noticed they were being capped, not a nice guy to work with, either, if i do say so myself.

As for stating something that's lies, welcome to the world of virginmedia, now you know why alot of the top (and best imo) left VM.

I see. Cheers Trax.

What a mess.