STM Statement

Originally Posted by Gary L

If they have been deleted a reset won't bring them back

lol, no, I know that!

No, what I mean is VM's NG servers are flaky sometimes.
It's worth a reset as the posts are quite clearly not there for me.
I'm specifically looking for Trax's alias and I could only see his apology.

[frogstamper]

Originally Posted by TraxData

Just to let you guys know, i cant give out anymore info.

I've been told to "shut up" by virginmedia members (no names mentioned) and for mentioning alex in the newsgroups...they cut my internet connection off and threatened me verbally, so yes, im just going to keep my mouth shut from now on.

Well today's a sad then Trax, I for one found your posts and advice well useful, maybe if you just lie low for a while?

Nah deffo gone.
What I meant before was that I may have downloaded the headers and bodies (reader is set to grab both) before they were deleted as the machine was on overnight.
Dunno what I was trying to achieve with a reset actually..

[peanut]

Originally Posted by kryogenik

Nah deffo gone.
What I meant before was that I may have downloaded the headers and bodies (reader is set to grab both) before they were deleted as the machine was on overnight.
Dunno what I was trying to achieve with a reset actually..

I use Xnews for text, I find it much more manageable than anything else going, maybe that might help as they are still there.

[Gary L]

If you've already downloaded them to your hard drive before they were deleted you can still read them. if you try to download them after they have been deleted then you can't read them

I've just reset the group and all 9 posts by Darren in that thread are still on the server.

[ceedee]

I'm happy to PM the (long) full text of the relevant exchange to anyone who's interested.
(I've not trimmed the posts so there's an awful lot of duplicated quotations, etc. but believe I've got all of them.)

[watzizname]

Originally Posted by ceedee

I'm happy to PM the (long) full text of the relevant exchange to anyone who's interested.
(I've not trimmed the posts so there's an awful lot of duplicated quotations, etc. but believe I've got all of them.)

If it isn't too much trouble, i'd love to have a look at it

[Sirius]

Originally Posted by ceedee

I'm happy to PM the (long) full text of the relevant exchange to anyone who's interested.
(I've not trimmed the posts so there's an awful lot of duplicated quotations, etc. but believe I've got all of them.)

Yes please

*****EDIT*****

Now received it. Many thanks.

Seems VM are still up to there old tricks. why do i seem to remember this happening before on this forum. ?


There seems to be to many hints that VM have been trialing PHORM, It was mentioned in that thread and it has been hinted at here. I think a definitive statement is needed on the subject instead of the abnormally long NON statement we seem to be getting. The STM trials were only admitted to when VM were seen to be doing it, Could it be the same for PHORM i wonder and until we can produce evidence they will say sod all.

Originally Posted by Gary L

If you've already downloaded them to your hard drive before they were deleted you can still read them. if you try to download them after they have been deleted then you can't read them

I've just reset the group and all 9 posts by Darren in that thread are still on the server.

Oh, right. I must have seen them then - thanks Gary.
They didn't look that bad to me to be honest, but probably against AUP, to be fair.
I see much, MUCH worse in other NG's, but of course, non-mafia'd ones.
(j/k)

Knocking about in NG's again more recently, I remembered why I stopped using them to any real extent in the first place. There's some right zealots who'll pick up on virtually any wording and turn it into some crazed online quest.

[Cropstar]

The unlimited claim will be a bit of a joke if they introduce this. I imagine someone will complain and they'll be told to drop it by the ASA.

[ceedee]

I'm trying to push the tag: "RatnersMedia - unlimited but not limitless"

[frogstamper]

Just a little taster of whats on VMs "Traffic management" site.


What traffic management policies are you applying to the heaviest users?

That depends on the broadband package you're signed up to. And it's important to remember that these traffic management policies only apply during peak times (4pm till 9pm) – as this is when the speeds are likely to be affected by people using more than their fair share.


Well, as we said, we've carried out a trial in which we looked closely at when the heaviest users were affecting the service for everybody else.

We found that this small minority of customers were actually downloading or uploading enough information to significantly affect the service for other customers' broadband service. To put it another way, just 3% of uploaders and downloaders were affecting the service for the other 97% of uploaders and downloaders during peak times (that's between 4pm and 9pm).


Once again VM are telling us quote, "its important to remember these traffic management policies only apply during peak times [4pm to 9pm]"

Also if they expect us to believe that stm only affects 3% of customers they must think we came down with the last shower of brown stuff. Add to this even more stm times, you must be joking VM!!

Originally Posted by ceedee

I'm trying to push the tag: "RatnersMedia - unlimited but not limitless"

VirginMafia - you can have an opinion as long as you don't express it..

[Gary L]

Originally Posted by frogstamper

To put it another way, just 3% of uploaders and downloaders were affecting the service for the other 97% of uploaders and downloaders

Always blaming everybody else for them selling a service they can't supply when a few people try to use it. it will be exactly the same when the 50meg starts. they will roll out STM mk16 and let the customers fight between themselves while they take the money at the door.

[TehTech]

Originally Posted by Gary L

Always blaming everybody else for them selling a service they can't supply when a few people try to use it. it will be exactly the same when the 50meg starts. they will roll out STM mk16 and let the customers fight between themselves while they take the money at the door.

What they REALLY mean is this: You are in the top 3-5 IF you can actually get a decent speed, so the STM you to make it much more fair for the people that CONSTANTLY get rubbish speeds!