Illegal File Sharing - Three Strike Rule

[Toto]

This has been talked about before, and now looks like becoming a reality.

Apologies if this has already been brought up.


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/mai...nvirgin130.xml

Virgin Media looks set to become the first British internet company to crack down on customers who download music illegally.

The trial by the UK's largest residential broadband supplier will go live within months and disconnecting customers who ignore warnings, a sanction favoured by the record BPI, remains an option. The trial will also be open to film and television studios.

[Welshchris]

id like to know how they r going to be able to distinquish whats being downloaded. What if ur downloading from something like napster and paid for the music ur downloading and they get it wrong?

[iglu]

Everyone will claim that their mac had been traded

[Welshchris]

i think this will cost them a lot of customers also that will just bugger off to ADSL to download.

[Toto]

Originally Posted by Welshchris

i think this will cost them a lot of customers also that will just bugger off to ADSL to download.

Doubt it, and other ISP's will follow suite, or risk being regulated by Government. Be Unlimited have already sent letters to its customer about illegal file sharing, one such customer has posted on this forum.

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Originally Posted by Welshchris

id like to know how they r going to be able to distinquish whats being downloaded. What if ur downloading from something like napster and paid for the music ur downloading and they get it wrong?

This is the BPI, they will know how their members legally share their works over the Internet, so will not be targeting those streams.

[bopdude]

What about encrypted data, how will they know whats what ?

[murfitUK]

What concerns me is that the BPI will be given the power to decide who gets cut off and who can keep their internet connection.

The article in the Telegraph (and it has been covered in the Guardian at the end of February) states that the BPI hands over to the ISP an account number and it is then up to the ISP to take action.

But what if you insist you never downloaded pirated material? Who do you appeal to you after Virgin has cut you off? Not Virgin - they have to do what the BPI tells them. There won't be any point appealing to the BPI as it was them that identified your account number in the first place, the will say they just passed on an account number and it was the ISP who cut you off.

The government has said that if the ISPs don't act on the wishes of the BPI then it will pass legislation forcing them to.

The BPI wants to be judge and jury, and the ISP will have no choice but to act as their executioner, and you could lose your internet connection (which you no doubt paid for a month in advance) with no chance to challenge anything.

[Toto]

Originally Posted by murfitUK

What concerns me is that the BPI will be given the power to decide who gets cut off and who can keep their internet connection.

The article in the Telegraph (and it has been covered in the Guardian at the end of February) states that the BPI hands over to the ISP an account number and it is then up to the ISP to take action.

But what if you insist you never downloaded pirated material? Who do you appeal to you after Virgin has cut you off? Not Virgin - they have to do what the BPI tells them. There won't be any point appealing to the BPI as it was them that identified your account number in the first place, the will say they just passed on an account number and it was the ISP who cut you off.

The government has said that if the ISPs don't act on the wishes of the BPI then it will pass legislation forcing them to.

The BPI wants to be judge and jury, and the ISP will have no choice but to act as their executioner, and you could lose your internet connection (which you no doubt paid for a month in advance) with no chance to challenge anything.

I guess the answer to that is simple. The evidence is provided to the customer by the ISP, advising them at the warning stage that if they wish to challenge it, they contact the evidence provider, in this case the BPI.

That is an assumption though, there's nothing in the article to say that.

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Originally Posted by bopdude

What about encrypted data, how will they know whats what ?

They won't. If the data encrypts the source IP address, then they have no case.

So therefore we can assume they will target open p2p networks and torrents.

only in this country will we roll over and allow this to happen. If the French try they will march on the streets for privacy the Americans take it to court again cuz of invasion of privacy. Nothing will be done about in this country as usual doormat Britain will roll over

[Toto]

Originally Posted by zinglebarb

only in this country will we roll over and allow this to happen. If the French try they will march on the streets for privacy the Americans take it to court again cuz of invasion of privacy. Nothing will be done about in this country as usual doormat Britain will roll over

Wasn't it Sarkozy that developed the three strikes rule, passing the investigation and enforcement to a third party? Something I also think the government said they would work with France on, or at least review it.

Originally Posted by Toto

Wasn't it Sarkozy that developed the three strikes rule, passing the investigation and enforcement to a third party? Something I also think the government said they would work with France on, or at least review it.

In france they marched (and even rioted in some places) and made the govt seriously rethink it.

It wont get passed there, french govt actually listens to its people...and if they dont, hell breaks loose

[TheNorm]

Originally Posted by TraxData

In france they marched (and even rioted in some places) ...

There were riots to protest against a clampdown on illegal file sharing?

Do you have a link to that?

[Toto]

Originally Posted by TraxData

In france they marched (and even rioted in some places) and made the govt seriously rethink it.

It wont get passed there, french govt actually listens to its people...and if they dont, hell breaks loose

Yes, there are news articles about such activity back in 2003/4, but I am talking more recently, since Sarkosy came into power. I'll keep digging.

This is the most up-to-date on the French position I can find, and I know that the UK government has talked about this with Sarkosy.

Originally Posted by Toto

Yes, there are news articles about such activity back in 2003/4, but I am talking more recently, since Sarkosy came into power. I'll keep digging.

As am i...i'll try and dig the articles up (this is going back 2-4 months)

they rioted big time in some places.

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Originally Posted by TheNorm

There were riots to protest against a clampdown on illegal file sharing?

Do you have a link to that?

I'm gonna try find the links.

And i think they saw it more as a privacy thing.

[Mick]

Wikipedia is your friend - Every riot listed since 120 BC.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_riots

Had a quick scan through the list cannot see anything about French rioting about 'Privacy'.