VM admit that STM hours vary without notice

[Chrysalis]

Originally Posted by OF1975

£37 for 20megabit and £11 or thereabouts for phone and you are saying that aint expensive compared to other providers?

1 - adsl is variable, mrs white may get 16mbit but mr black 2 miles away will only get 3mbit, cable meanwhile everyone gets synch speed equal to what they purchased.
2 - adsl in particular the cheapest products excluding sky can have very heavy shaping/throttling certianly a lot worse than VM.
3 - at least phone on VM isnt required for BB whilst on adsl it is so it is a factor.

[BenMcr]

Originally Posted by Chrysalis

3 - at least phone on VM isnt required for BB whilst on adsl it is so it is a factor.

Even though there is the ongoing issue of why apparently you cant compare VM phone + BB price with BT + ADSL provider price (which always makes VM look more expensive)

[hokkers999]

Originally Posted by Chrysalis

1 - adsl is variable, mrs white may get 16mbit but mr black 2 miles away will only get 3mbit, cable meanwhile everyone gets synch speed equal to what they purchased.
2 - adsl in particular the cheapest products excluding sky can have very heavy shaping/throttling certianly a lot worse than VM.
3 - at least phone on VM isnt required for BB whilst on adsl it is so it is a factor.

Number 1 is REALLY funny. did you miss the UPTO part of the advertising. It is absolutely untrue that everyone gets the speed they have purchased. VM internet is as variable as anyone else's.

[Chrysalis]

I am speaking as someone who is on adsl and has used cable in the past, how many people complaining of cable been poor value have actually used adsl or just assuming the grass is greener on the other side?

Cable can slow down due to congestion and STM.
Adsl can slow down due to congestion, shaping/throttling, slow synch speed, and BTs bras profiling system it is technically a worse product.

hokkers999 are you claiming that not everyone synchs at the speed they purchase on cable?

When I was on ntl I was in a bad student area it was very congested so believe me I know cable can perform badly but what I do know is I was able to download fast zooming along at 10mbit 3-5amish whilst on adsl my line maxes out at around 5.5mbit throughput meaning I can never get above 5.5mbit because the synch limits it.

Now upto 8mbit for £15 may sound super duper but the reality is at that price the product is more constrained and limited than what you get on cable, the few isps that perform well such as zen have caps. The very few isps that are fast and have no caps such as ukonline and BE will require you to be in a LLU area but these are not the norm what mainstream adsl isps such as tiscali and BT provide.

So I repeat if you buy 20mbit cable your modem will be synched at 20mbit and it is probable that at some point during the day (most likely 4am) that you can download at that speed whilst on adsl for millions of people the up to speed is not obtainable. (25% of lines capable of full 8meg synch only)