Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797] - Page 3

TehTech · 18-02-2008, 18:42

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Originally Posted by Sirius

http://www.phorm.com/about/faq.php?_...6,17,18,19#isp

http://webwise.com/ NOTE that Virgin Media are missing from that website

Thanks for that link, I have just had a quick browse through it, and time & time again, the 1 word that they like to use is "PRIVACY"

How in gods name can they serve RELEVANT ads to joe Bloggs and say that they dont store browsing habits? how on earth do they do it then if they dont store these details, I mean, if they dont store details, how they supposed to give the user relevant ads?

bonzoe · 18-02-2008, 18:43

I shall be opting out, can see absolutely no reason to want this rubbish!

**Paul M** · 18-02-2008, 18:44

Did I miss something - dont data protection laws mean you have to opt in to sharing your data, not out ?

**Rob** · 18-02-2008, 18:50

VM's Terms & Conditions:

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Originally Posted by VM

Section G, clause 3

We may also, subject to your consent:

1. use your personal information for the purposes of marketing our products and services to you; and
2. use your personal information for the purposes of marketing the products and services of other Virgin companies (e.g. Virgin Atlantic) to you,
and we may disclose your personal information to other Virgin companies and our sub-contractors and agents for these marketing purposes.

I see nothing in there about disclosure of personal details to third parties, other than the Virgin Group. I see nothing in there about doing so without my consent. As far as I am concerned my internet use habits represent my personal details, especially if I'm visiting secure sites such as personal banking.

And from the Privacy Policy

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Originally Posted by VM

Disclosing your information

<snip>

We will not pass on your personal information to third parties except in accordance with this policy and our Terms and Conditions or where we are required by law to disclose that information.

Looks pretty clear to me that VM would be in breach of their own consumer contracts. But then we know how they like to run roughshod over them and change at will.

grimwau · 18-02-2008, 18:52

Looks like my adblocker will be working overtime then.

TehTech · 18-02-2008, 18:55

Why dont they (VM) just go full hog & "install" a VM rep inside your home, sat right next to you at your pc with a notebook & pen?

Its basically the same thing, whatever next from the 2 bit pile of donkey dung that they call a "BUSINESS"??

punky · 18-02-2008, 18:56

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Originally Posted by Rob

VM's Terms & Conditions:

I see nothing in there about disclosure of personal details to third parties, other than the Virgin Group. I see nothing in there about doing so without my consent. As far as I am concerned my internet use habits represent my personal details, especially if I'm visiting secure sites such as personal banking.

And from the Privacy Policy

Looks pretty clear to me that VM would be in breach of their own consumer contracts. But then we know how they like to run roughshod over them and change at will.

They can update those whenever and however they want though?

bonzoe · 18-02-2008, 18:57

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Originally Posted by Rob

VM's Terms & Conditions:

<snip>
Looks pretty clear to me that VM would be in breach of their own consumer contracts. But then we know how they like to run roughshod over them and change at will.

As you say, if the lawyers think it's necessary, they'll just change the T&Cs to fit.

Sirius · 18-02-2008, 19:05

I have a theory.

There are a group of numpty's that travel from company to company with the sole intention of destroying it. At the moment i thinks its Virgins turn to have the numpty's working for them in the "What a good idea department"

Delta Whiskey · 18-02-2008, 19:07

I don't see any on-page/pop-up/pop-under ads, Firefox & AdBlock Plus are your friends.

Griffin · 18-02-2008, 19:09

I got an ad blocking program on a disc that used to block all ads weather they were Embedded or pop up, if VM go ahead with this fool of a scheme i will just install it again

Sirius · 18-02-2008, 19:20

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Originally Posted by Griffin

I got an ad blocking program on a disc that used to block all ads weather they were Embedded or pop up, if VM go ahead with this fool of a scheme i will just install it again

I have been using adblock for a good year or so and it works fine for me. My problem here is the fact that it looks like VM are going to ride rough shod over the customers privacy. VM no doubt will change the contract to suit them so they can give your private information to this company that they have signed up with..

**Rob** · 18-02-2008, 19:25

Ad block pop up blocker things aren't the answer though. You might not see the ad, but it is still there. The real concern is the system of generating the ad, which has somehow been monitoring your personal browsing habits. That is big brother territory. It's that monitoring that has to be prevented, not the ad itself.

By contrast, google adsense and other systems generate content relative to the page that is being read. Yes some may find those ads annoying, but they haven't intruded on private browsing habits to do so. All they know is what the website is displaying.

Sirius · 18-02-2008, 19:34

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Originally Posted by Rob

Ad block pop up blocker things aren't the answer though. You might not see the ad, but it is still there. The real concern is the system of generating the ad, which has somehow been monitoring your personal browsing habits. That is big brother territory. It's that monitoring that has to be prevented, not the ad itself.

By contrast, google adsense and other systems generate content relative to the page that is being read. Yes some may find those ads annoying, but they haven't intruded on private browsing habits to do so. All they know is what the website is displaying.

Rob

I fully agree i just dont like adds fullstop m8.

Sirpingalot · 18-02-2008, 20:08

it's an invasion of privacy and therefore a breach of the law..?