18-02-2008, 18:18
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Re: Virgin Media Ad Deal - Would you be opting out?
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I dont want my info on web habits to be sent to companies bad idea VM boo
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Totally agree with you there dl!
What was is I saw in a thread a few days ago about internet privacy??
Although, having said that, I got FF secured as tight as I can make it, in the past 3 years, I have never seen ANY adds or popups at all thanks to ff & the extensions!
You can bet your life I will be checking my cookies a number of times a day to make sure no such rubbish is stored on my computer.
I actually thought that it was illegal to track internet usage & to serve up ads, weather or not they are relevant?
When VM do this, I will be straight on the phone to them and they will have ANOTHER unhappy chappy on their line giving them what for!
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If I want to check something out, I google it and then browse through the results, I have never once clicked an ad or anything that has popped up, I dont care how damn relevant it is, if I want to buy any product, I will go to a reputable (re)seller, I dont go flagrantly clicking links just because it has something that MIGHT interest me!
Last edited by TehTech; 18-02-2008 at 18:22.
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18-02-2008, 18:21
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Re: Virgin Media Ad Deal - Would you be opting out?
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Well, I don't have anything to hide, and as I shop online for a lot of goods and services. This could be a good thing, but it might not be.
If I suspect though that the cookies are taking to much information, I can make some basic changes in my browser (see sig picture) that should block them.
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Why on earth would they need to use cookies? They can probably obtain this information from either their DNS servers or (more likely) track you using the UBRs.
If that's the case, your choice of browser will be irrelevant.
Also, if you think blocking popups/ads will help, comcast have, I believe, been doing a lot of work in html rewriting, so they may just be able to embed the ad in your page regardless (as comcast did).
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18-02-2008, 18:24
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Re: Virgin Media Ad Deal - Would you be opting out?
I'll be opting out asap.
I can't believe that with all the data privacy laws and such that VM can get away with this.
If the police etc were collecting data on a suspect, possibly linked to criminal activity, wouldn't they need a warrant to monitor their web traffic? How is it different, just because it is 'advertising'? It's still snooping.
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18-02-2008, 18:24
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Re: Virgin Media Ad Deal - Would you be opting out?
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Why on earth would they need to use cookies? They can probably obtain this information from either their DNS servers or (more likely) track you using the UBRs.
If that's the case, your choice of browser will be irrelevant.
Also, if you think blocking popups/ads will help, comcast have, I believe, been doing a lot of work in html rewriting, so they may just be able to embed the ad in your page regardless (as comcast did).
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BUT surely if you have cookies turned off in your browser, then they cant track, or have i got it wrong (again)? |
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18-02-2008, 18:29
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Re: Virgin Media Ad Deal - Would you be opting out?
Be interesting to see if the DPA applies. Mr Angry would probably know this, but I think the Data Protection Act would apply if any personally identifiable data is passed to the other company from Virgin (I don't know if this ID number they are planning to use would be counted as personal data, as it would be tied indirectly to you).
For the record, if I used Virgin for broadband, I would either be expecting some sort of compensation for this data I am helpfully providing them, or cancel my account.
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BUT surely if you have cookies turned off in your browser, then they cant track, or have i got it wrong (again)?
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They don't need cookies. Even if the UBRs can't log who is downloading what, technically it would be relatively easy to install equipment that does. They could bring back the proxies and use them to do this, for instance.
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"This is an important announcement. This is flight 121 to Los Angeles. If your travel plans today do not include Los Angeles, now would be a perfect time to disembark.”
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18-02-2008, 18:31
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Re: Virgin Media Ad Deal - Would you be opting out?
Well from what i have seen here so far they will have to allow me 1 of the following.
Opt out
Disconnect
VIRGIN what will it be ?
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18-02-2008, 18:32
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Re: Virgin Media Ad Deal - Would you be opting out?
Apparently you can switch it on and off at will
http://www.phorm.com/
How it works:
*Ntl gives phorm a random number and the web page you are looking
*Phorm gives NTl the relevant ad together with the number
*NTl pops the ads on your screen, they know your IP as it is associated with the random number returned by Phorm |
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18-02-2008, 18:34
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Re: Virgin Media Ad Deal - Would you be opting out?
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18-02-2008, 18:35
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Re: Virgin Media Ad Deal - Would you be opting out?
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Originally Posted by iglu
Apparently you can switch it on and off at will
http://www.phorm.com/
How it works:
*Ntl gives phorm a random number and the web page you are looking
*Phorm gives NTl the relevant ad together with the number
*NTl pops the ads on your screen, they know your IP as it is associated with the random number returned by Phorm |
I'll be opting out then!!! |
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18-02-2008, 18:37
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Re: Virgin Media Ad Deal - Would you be opting out?
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Ahh, so they are stealing advertising revenue from sites, such as, say, this one.
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"This is an important announcement. This is flight 121 to Los Angeles. If your travel plans today do not include Los Angeles, now would be a perfect time to disembark.”
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18-02-2008, 18:38
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Re: Virgin Media Ad Deal - Would you be opting out?
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Ahh, so they are stealing advertising revenue from sites, such as, say, this one.
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Thats Virgin Media for you.
Boy i bet this thread grows pretty dam fast
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18-02-2008, 18:38
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Re: Virgin Media Ad Deal - Would you be opting out?
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Originally Posted by iglu
Apparently you can switch it on and off at will
http://www.phorm.com/
How it works:
*Ntl gives phorm a random number and the web page you are looking
*Phorm gives NTl the relevant ad together with the number
*NTl pops the ads on your screen, they know your IP as it is associated with the random number returned by Phorm |
From what I've just read there, it isn't so clear
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With OIX and Webwise, consumers are in control: they can switch relevance 'off' or 'on' at any time at Webwise.com. There's no small print and no catches: it's completely up to the consumer.
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To me that reads as if you can choose relevant ads or irrelevant ones.
Have I got the wrong end of the stick? |
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18-02-2008, 18:39
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Re: Virgin Media Ad Deal - Would you be opting out?
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It is here 
http://www.phorm.com/isp_partners/ |
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18-02-2008, 18:39
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Re: Virgin Media Ad Deal - Would you be opting out?
Why should I have to opt out. I should have to opt in  |
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18-02-2008, 18:40
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Re: Virgin Media Ad Deal - Would you be opting out?
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but thats not the site for turning off there spyware
Lets face it. This is another shafting from Virgin
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