Well, they did ask...... - Page 2

Smok3y666 · 19-10-2007, 10:47

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Originally Posted by kryogenik

Some people are selling 25 at a time....

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That's not the point. The point is, the modems are being cloned, so people ARE being capped as the cloned modems are pinching all the bloody bandwidth.

It may not be the point but, answer the question, honestly. Do you think the VM network would be any better?

And with regards to people selling 25 modems at a time, so what? Like the previous poster said, if VM don't ask for them back that's their problem. What the buyer does when he/she recieves the modem is up to them not the seller or eBay.

19-10-2007, 10:53

I guess yes. I couldn't say for definite, but it's a good bet isn't it?

Do you think it wouldn't make any difference if suddenly multitudes of cloned modems were taken from the network?

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The sale of the modems is illegal. I can't put it any clearer than that for you.

Smok3y666 · 19-10-2007, 10:53

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Originally Posted by kryogenik

I guess yes. I couldn't say for definite, but it's a good bet isn't it?

Do you think it wouldn't make any difference if suddenly multitudes of cloned modems were taken from the network?

Yes it would make a difference, the problem is VM are doing NOTHING to prevent this from happening. At the moment with all the people using the network beit subbed or cloned the network cannot cope with the traffic. The root cause is VM not putting any security in place to prevent bandwith being stolen by cloners and the fact that the network is over subscribed with hosent paying people and cloned modem users, not people selling modems on eBay.

19-10-2007, 10:57

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Originally Posted by Smok3y666

Yes it would make a difference, the problem is VM are doing NOTHING to prevent this from happening. At the moment with all the people using the network beit subbed or cloned the network cannot cope with the traffic. The root cause is VM, not people selling modems on eBay.

I don't understand.
You're addressing the obvious point then denying something is adding to it??
People are buying cloned modems hand over fist. Let's forget about eBay for a minute - you can get them anywhere for the price of a packet of fags.
Yes, the network is probably struggling, countless amounts of cloned modems being added to it daily all on the top config isn't likely to make things easier is it? It's going to make it worse, right? Or am I missing something here?

Stig · 19-10-2007, 10:58

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Originally Posted by kryogenik

Some people are selling 25 at a time....

I'm not surprised as there must be thousands of unwanted modems (by Virgin and ex customers). I'm sure anybody could acquire 25+ without actually stealing them. I know two people who have canceled and both still have cable modems gathering dust as Virgin (NTL at the time) did not want them back...

Like I said Virgin should collect all unused modems or make sure they are returned.

It's no good saying they are stolen when virgin discard them by not wanting them back.

19-10-2007, 11:02

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Originally Posted by Smok3y666

Yes it would make a difference, the problem is VM are doing NOTHING to prevent this from happening. At the moment with all the people using the network beit subbed or cloned the network cannot cope with the traffic. The root cause is VM not putting any security in place to prevent bandwith being stolen by cloners and the fact that the network is over subscribed with hosent paying people and cloned modem users, not people selling modems on eBay.

Ah. you edited your post. That's not what you originally said and I was replying to.

I'm out.

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Originally Posted by Stig

I'm not surprised as there must be thousands of unwanted modems (by Virgin and ex customers). I'm sure anybody could acquire 25+ without actually stealing them. I know two people who have canceled and both still have cable modems gathering dust as Virgin (NTL at the time) did not want them back...

Like I said Virgin should collect all unused modems or make sure they are returned.

It's no good saying they are stolen when virgin discard them by not wanting them back.

The T & C's state the modems remain the property of Virgin.
Regardless of 25+ people or whatever selling them individually to a sole trader.
Them selling them on is illegal. The trader selling them on is illegal.
It's really that simple guys.
Am I one man clapping in a crowd here or what?

Smok3y666 · 19-10-2007, 11:09

I know what the T&C's say but if VM cannot be bothered to collect their equipment are you saying people should keep it lying around their house forever more gathering dust?

19-10-2007, 11:13

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Originally Posted by Smok3y666

I know what the T&C's say but if VM cannot be bothered to collect their equipment are you saying people should keep it lying around their house forever more gathering dust?

It's hardly a large cumbersome thing is it.
I'm not suggesting they do any such thing. I would suggest that selling it is illegal though.
Again.

Just because VM don't do the right thing doesn't mean anyone else has carte blanche to do the same.

Stig · 19-10-2007, 11:15

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Originally Posted by kryogenik

The T & C's state the modems remain the property of Virgin.
Regardless of 25+ people or whatever selling them individually to a sole trader.
Them selling them on is illegal. The trader selling them on is illegal.
It's really that simple guys.
Am I one man clapping in a crowd here or what?

Not arguing for the sake of it (HONEST) but...

Selling them may be illegal but that does not mean they are stolen. People are told NTL/Virgin do not want them back.....

Added to that is the fact when asked what should be done with the modem my mother and sister were both told to "do what ever they want with it"... how many others are told the same?

Virgin should ensure collection or return and make it clear you can't sell it on or it'll never end.

19-10-2007, 11:19

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Originally Posted by Stig

Virgin should ensure collection or return and make it clear you can't sell it on or it'll never end.

I agree - that said, I can only go off my own experience.
I still have an old STB here. I was told NTL would have someone collect it.
I said if they didn't I would leave it on the doorstep. I didn't of course. And they didn't come for it either.
I wouldn't dream of selling it though, as I'm an honest, stand up guy with a family etc.

I don't like the idea of a criminal record or a fine.
It's under a shelf in the airing cupboard I think.

Smok3y666 · 19-10-2007, 11:20

Another example: my partners dad is with VM and there have been loads of problems in the Stoke area recently. He phoned VM and they said they would send him a new modem out straight away with a new MAC and to do whatever he wanted with the one that was no longer working. Again, the issue was with the network not the modem. So, what is he to do with the now redundant modem when VM don not want it back? Bin it, send it back anyway or make a bit of money from it selling it on?

19-10-2007, 11:24

Send it back anyway? Bin it?
Anything that won't lead to it being cloned and used illegally to the detriment of the network perhaps?
Hey, call me old fashioned - that's what I'd do.

TheNorm · 19-10-2007, 11:38

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Originally Posted by kryogenik

... Bin it? ....

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Originally Posted by kryogenik

...The T & C's state the modems remain the property of Virgin....

You can't have it both ways.

All VM has to do is offer a Â£5 discount off your bill if you return your old modem. Not exactly rocket science, is it?

danielf · 19-10-2007, 11:43

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Originally Posted by TheNorm

You can't have it both ways.

All VM has to do is offer a Â£5 discount off your bill if you return your old modem. Not exactly rocket science, is it?

When I left a month about a month ago they sent me a self-addressed box asking me to return both my STB and modem, which I duly did. When I left NTL a few years back, they collected the STB and didn't bother with the modem. I don't know what they do with people that subscribe to just BB.

19-10-2007, 11:47

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Originally Posted by TheNorm

You can't have it both ways.

I don't want it any way thanks.
I don't have an SACM, redundant or otherwise.

Don't be so pedantic Norm - you know I've been saying all along that the damn thing out and out belongs to Virgin.
FWIW, I think you're right - any incentive would do. Even sending out a return stamped jiffy bag/box (as they obviously do with some).
It's clear VM don't give a hoot what happens to their modems, and until they do this will carry on and on.
Mr Angry's point was that some people actually do care, even if VM don't.