Traffic Shaping Affecting All Tiers

[RXP]

Gonna kill video on demand services from other providers, wonder if there's an argument to be made that Virgin are purposely cutting off their competition from streaming hi-def videos so they can flog their own service? Sky could have a Article 81 case of their own!

My take: I don't really care, I do think it's a bit crazy to say 21 mins of your connection use is excessive. Obviously the network cannot cope with the speeds if they are having to take such drastic measures. But I do all my downloading outside peak ours. But I honeslty don't see the point of 20mbit, the big attraction was streaming HD material and other stuff on demand. This is obviously no longer viable.

[peanut]

The point is on 20mb it works out to 21 mins of continous usage, not exactly much is it, this has to be now spread over 8 hours.

Is the point of 20mb is to open new doors, download those big huge demo's, more 360 demo's, legit (paid for) movies. What they have done is effectively took 2 steps forward and 3 steps back, but we still have to pay for it.

Originally Posted by welwynrose

no it means that out of say 100 users only 5 are downloading over 3gb of data & I think most of them must post on these boards

But that's not always the case is it. It wont always be 5% of customers downloading over 3GB, so why mention 5% when they are talking about thresholds?

The "top 5%" indicates to me that not everyone who goes over 3GB will be throttled, but as usual, it's as clear as mud.

[Chicken]

Does this mean I can pay Virgin less? If I go over the trip limit and my connection speed is reduced, surely its only right that I should only pay a reduced amount for that time of reduced speed.

[welwynrose]

Originally Posted by peanutkp

So you go from slating heavy downloaders or anyone who download's over 3gig as illegal users as out of order, yet you say you 'set up' your downloads overnight / day? Something don't add up here.

I haven't slated heavy downloaders at all or said anyone is out of order - I just don't see why people are getting their knickers in a twist about this - it only affects 5% of BB users - so that 5% either need to look at how they download stuff or change provider

Originally Posted by Chicken

Does this mean I can pay Virgin less? If I go over the trip limit and my connection speed is reduced, surely its only right that I should only pay a reduced amount for that time of reduced speed.

Only takes one person to challenge it, sales of goods act?

[peanut]

Originally Posted by welwynrose

I haven't slated heavy downloaders at all or said anyone is out of order - I just don't see why people are getting their knickers in a twist about this - it only affects 5% of BB users - so that 5% either need to look at how they download stuff or change provider

You believe that?? The same people who think 3 gig is too much even when you pay for 20mb? Wake up.

If you download more than 3gig you are classed as in that 5% and that's how it will be.

[RXP]

Originally Posted by welwynrose

I haven't slated heavy downloaders at all or said anyone is out of order - I just don't see why people are getting their knickers in a twist about this - it only affects 5% of BB users - so that 5% either need to look at how they download stuff or change provider

This is the statistic offered by the corporation introducing the shaping. I'm not saying it's incorrect, but they have no reason to report accurately.

People are getting frustrated by this purely because 21 mins of usage is considered excessive. And if only 5% of users download >3gb at peak time there is little consumer demand for 20mbit. The only people demanding it are those 5% who can make use of it.

[peanut]

And how can anyone on the lowest tariff be 'excesssive' and detrimental to others.

[welwynrose]

Originally Posted by peanutkp

You believe that?? The same people who think 3 gig is too much even when you pay for 20mb? Wake up.

If you download more than 3gig you are classed as in that 5% and that's how it will be.

but most residential ISP's have some sort of limits place - whether it be traffic shaping or caps - Sky's 8mb service has a 40gb a month cap thats less than 1.5gb a day

Originally Posted by peanutkp

And how can anyone on the lowest tariff be 'excesssive' and detrimental to others.

By wanting to use the full capability of the speed 24/7

[meangreenie]

That 5% of users in a day is a lie.. each and every day for a week now i have downloaded nothing till 4.00pm when i start a download for testing ..lol that's how much of a heavy user i am... and after 20 minutes I get cut to 1Mbit... as i am right now, this minute.

My advice to everyone is to ring 150 and choose option 4.. the cancelation department.. and tell them you are leaving because of this, just watch how fast they talk you out of it and half your bill.

[peanut]

Originally Posted by welwynrose

but most residential ISP's have some sort of limits place - whether it be traffic shaping or caps - Sky's 8mb service has a 40gb a month cap thats less than 1.5gb a day

I didn't sign up to those. I signed up to VM and paid for it, afterall it's costs to most out of every other ISP. Now they've decided to implement this, I didn't ask for it.

[RXP]

Originally Posted by welwynrose

but most residential ISP's have some sort of limits place - whether it be traffic shaping or caps - Sky's 8mb service has a 40gb a month cap thats less than 1.5gb a day

And Sky charge 5 pounds a month for that ;-)

[meangreenie]

Originally Posted by welwynrose

but most residential ISP's have some sort of limits place - whether it be traffic shaping or caps - Sky's 8mb service has a 40gb a month cap thats less than 1.5gb a day

yes but their 16Mbit service at £10.0o per month is unlimited and yet you failed to mention that... Mr. Virgin representative