Traffic Shaping Affecting All Tiers

[jcuk]

well since their trialling the 50megabit service in kent, then such as above looks promising. alternatively, learn how to use remote desktop, its bloody simple! and means you can schedule and control all your game downloads during non-peak hours. - then play them with great ping @ peak hours!

[dontpannic]

Originally Posted by hammered

Limit, what limit... I've been being throttled since last week and I'm hardly using my connection!

I have used P2P for the last couple of years, but started slowing down on the amount I was using since middle of last year, when we were told that they were going to have to set limits to the D/L'ing. I mainly use my connection for browsing, mail and gaming, most the gaming now. My connection is fine during the day normal speeds, but I'm definately being throttled back, yet I've had no notice of this, no letters to say that I'm supposed to be abusing the network. So why am I being throttled!!! IT'S TOTAL *****... I'm paying for the 10MB service, yet am being slapped in the face by VM for abiding by their own set rules... VM is rapidily turning into t bunch of f88kwits!!!

Trouble is, they've got me by the balls as if I were to switch to ADSL, I could only get 1-2MB @ the most due to the lenght of my line!!!

This is complete rubbish. I use my connection for online gaming, hosting my email server, downloading and web browsing and have not been shaped at all. If you were "hardly using your connection" you wouldn't be shaped will you?

The thing you don't understand is that broadband in this country has an AVERAGE speed of 2 mbps. You, after being shaped are still above the average by 3 meg!

It is designed for people like you who, due to your excessive bandwidth usage, should be on a business line, and speeds up the net for those of us who don't take everything for granted.

None of your post above rings true for me, I think you are talking twaddle and need to get off your high horse.

If people like you didn't take the p*ss out of VM and hammer their connection day and night traffic shaping will not have been enabled on the network. You have yourself to blame at the end of the day.

As for Virgin not telling you about being shaped, have you read the T&C's? Even the "unlimited" connection mentions the fair use policy, and now they even have the traffic shaping terms on the website too, so you can't say you've been mis-informed.

Me? I couldn't give a monkeys about traffic shaping, it won't affect me but if I were to go over 3 gig then it's still a fast, reliable connection, so I'm not fussed.

Nick

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Originally Posted by Asha'man Jay

Who in their right mind is gonna pay for an 10/20gb connection just to get a 5gb limit inside half an hour??

Christ, bring back NTL. GTF Branson.

Firstly, it is still an unlimited connection. It is just speed cut for a few hours after you've been naughty.

Secondly, as I've already pointed out twice in this thread:

NTL:Telewest BOUGHT VIRGIN MOBILE, NOT THE OTHER WAY ROUND.


Probably won't make a blind bit of difference, its always Richard Bransons fault.

[Asha'man Jay]

Originally Posted by dontpannic

I think you are talking twaddle and need to get off your high horse.

If people like you didn't take the p*ss out of VM and hammer their connection day and night traffic shaping will not have been enabled on the network. You have yourself to blame at the end of the day.

I hadn't downloaded anything at all yesterday. when I got in from the office I noticed the sky news video's taking ages to load.

So perhaps Mr Sanctimonious can tell me why I ran a speedtest and got 980kb on a 4mb line last night after the computer had been off all day while I was at work.

:edit:

I should have stressed that this speed was reflected in my download speed both from usenet and from our clanservers.

[peanut]

Originally Posted by Asha'man Jay

So perhaps Mr Sanctimonious can tell me why I ran a speedtest and got 980kb on a 4mb line last night after the computer had been off all day while I was at work.

Because at the moment most of the common speed tests are being hammered and the results are far from the truth. I couldn't get anything over 3mb (I'm on 20mb) on any speed test lastnight but managed to get 11mb from giganews.

[dontpannic]

Originally Posted by Asha'man Jay

I hadn't downloaded anything at all yesterday. when I got in from the office I noticed the sky news video's taking ages to load.

So perhaps Mr Sanctimonious can tell me why I ran a speedtest and got 980kb on a 4mb line last night after the computer had been off all day while I was at work.

:edit:

I should have stressed that this speed was reflected in my download speed both from usenet and from our clanservers.

Do you have a router? Someone or something must have been using your bandwidth. You don't get capped "for the hell of it" or anything like that.

As PeanutKP just said, speedtests are all being hammered by people like you testing if they are being capped or not.

Whatever you think might be going on look at other possibilities... Usenet being slow? Your clan servers being slow?

Rather than "Its definitely a cap even though I haven't downloaded anything".

It wouldn't matter if your computer was off during the day - evidently you haven't read the terms and conditions of the shaping and come in all guns blazing rocketing off on one about how its unfair etc.

Traffic shaping takes effect from 4PM, so it wouldn't matter if your computer was on during the day anyway! You must have downloaded a gig after 4 then run a speedtest, which would tell you. Funny how 980k is an apparent cap for you on a 4mb line when 4mb customers go down to TWO meg, not ONE, so I would be looking more at:

Oversubscribed UBR with lots of people leeching bandwidth
General Internet Traffic to your clanservers and usenet servers

What you are probably seeing is the reason behind why VM are implementing traffic shaping, a minority ruining the experience for everyone else. Welcome to the real world.

Yours,
Mr Sanctimonious

[MikeyB]

Having only had a few moments to flick through this thread (should be working!) and after reading the info of the VM website about the Traffic Management, I'm just confused about one thing.

Will this affect only the top 5% of downloaders, or does it affect everyone?

I'm now on 2Mb (downgraded from 4Mb recently) and would be no way near the top 5% of downloaders, nearer the bottom end of the scale.
But for example, if I download a Linux distro one evening (I have downloaded a couple very very occasionally just out of curiosity) that is over the pitiful 350MB I'm allowed will I be limited to 1Mb?

I'm confused as they say: http://allyours.virginmedia.com/html...t/traffic.html
"Your speed won't be moderated unless you're in the top 5% of downloaders."

But then lower down the page:
"Any users hitting this amount during peak times (4pm till midnight) will have their broadband speed temporarily traffic managed"

So what does this mean? Just the top 5% or everyone?

[Asha'man Jay]

Originally Posted by dontpannic

Whatever you think might be going on look at other possibilities... Usenet being slow? Your clan servers being slow?

I can guarentee you, it's not our clanservers. From them we get what we pay for.

i.e.



And it's not newshosting's problem either, that's where I get my TV shows from.

[hammered]

Originally Posted by dontpannic

This is complete rubbish. I use my connection for online gaming, hosting my email server, downloading and web browsing and have not been shaped at all. If you were "hardly using your connection" you wouldn't be shaped will you?

The thing you don't understand is that broadband in this country has an AVERAGE speed of 2 mbps. You, after being shaped are still above the average by 3 meg!

It is designed for people like you who, due to your excessive bandwidth usage, should be on a business line, and speeds up the net for those of us who don't take everything for granted.

None of your post above rings true for me, I think you are talking twaddle and need to get off your high horse.

If people like you didn't take the p*ss out of VM and hammer their connection day and night traffic shaping will not have been enabled on the network. You have yourself to blame at the end of the day.

As for Virgin not telling you about being shaped, have you read the T&C's? Even the "unlimited" connection mentions the fair use policy, and now they even have the traffic shaping terms on the website too, so you can't say you've been mis-informed.

Me? I couldn't give a monkeys about traffic shaping, it won't affect me but if I were to go over 3 gig then it's still a fast, reliable connection, so I'm not fussed.

Nick

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Firstly, it is still an unlimited connection. It is just speed cut for a few hours after you've been naughty.

Secondly, as I've already pointed out twice in this thread:

NTL:Telewest BOUGHT VIRGIN MOBILE, NOT THE OTHER WAY ROUND.


Probably won't make a blind bit of difference, its always Richard Bransons fault.

LISTEN... DON'T CALL ME A LIER!!! PERIOD! you're just trying to encite to throw abuse at you...

I'm telling you what has happened to me. I'm not lying. There's no point to it! I've never really had much of a problem with NTL/VM check my stats on here, how many times have I posted for the length of time I've been a member...
I don't agree with traffic shaping people without warning them that it's going to happen unless I change my usage. That's my problem with them now...

Oh, and BTW I've already stated that I DON'T hammer my connection day in day out! Try reading the post in full before you start replying. Also I pay for the top band so that I can get the most out of it! I don't expect to pay the extra money on getting the same level service as someone who is paying less than me! You dno't know me so don't accuse me of doing things you know nothing about! But if you want to start flaming like the silly little 18yr spotty 'oik you are carry on... You're the one trying to take the ****, not me. I'm just putting forward my situation regarding this traffic shaping on here...

[LenMackin]

Pitiful, absolutely pitiful. ISP's continue to brag about the speeds they offer but then do something like this.

Any chance of seeing a real digital media revolution at fast internet speeds is hamstrung until capping and traffic shaping to the extent implemented by VM is redundant. 3 gigs is not a lot these days if you take into account a families surfing, downloads, online gaming, online radio and TV. Wouldn't really be better to really offer a rock solid 10mb service for the next year or so until capacity/infrastructure is upgraded or improved?

Having downsized to 4mb in Jan following months on 10mb with lousy speeds (now getting rock solid 3.9mb) I have had good support from VM. The guy called me at home as agreed (by retentions) and is sending a new modem through the post so that I can better achieve 10mb + (TJ210 outdated). Friday is the date he will register the MAC address and I am hoping to hop up to 10mb again. Oh well, guess the evening will be shaped downwards as this computer is a busy one.

[SOSAGES]

u lot need to calm down.

if u are not happy please leave ntl broadband do it sooner rather than later and if ur around my area plz do it today k thx

[helmutcheese]

If your happy to be shafted please stay, glad the world is not completely filled with peeps who roll over and take it all.

[DieDieMyDarling]

Originally Posted by SOSAGES

u lot need to calm down.

if u are not happy please leave ntl broadband do it sooner rather than later and if ur around my area plz do it today k thx

I really don't understand that mentality. If you aren't happy with something you have various choices, you can complain, through feedback and retentions, you can try and fight it through word of mouth, raising awareness, etc, OR you can vote with your wallet and leave.

If all the people who weren't happy with something at VM (or any other big company) just left, for another provider, there'd be no big companies left, they'd have gone bankrupt and you'd be doing your gaming (or whatever it is you feel downloaders are infringing on with their raping of the system) on a 56k modem for £30 a month.

[Asha'man Jay]

Originally Posted by SOSAGES

if u are not happy please leave ntl broadband do it sooner rather than later and if ur around my area plz do it today k thx

Ppl like you and Mr Santimonious are the reason rip off britain exists.

"Oh well, we'll just have to put up with it I suppose".

When I move house in the near future I will NOT be taking any of this VM crap with me.

[chamoan]

I seen the news earlier that VM in the last 3months has lost 47,000 customers, ok not all these would be broadband users, but i bet a large amount was, and they still feel the need to traffic shape

[punky]

If the tone of certain posters in this thread doesn't change then the team will consider the use of infractions. Just because your viewpoints differ, gives noone the excuse to be disrespectful. Likewise, with using 400pt fonts.