Traffic Shaping Affecting All Tiers

[SOSAGES]

i can see this thread going the same way as every other cap thread give it a few months and no one will remember.

[Doofy]

Originally Posted by SOSAGES

i can see this thread going the same way as every other cap thread give it a few months and no one will remember.

And i have a feeling that you are correct....

Originally Posted by SOSAGES

i can see this thread going the same way as every other cap thread give it a few months and no one will remember.

Sosages, lend me £50 and I will have no intention of paying you back.
But hey thats life, in a few months you will have forgot you loaned me the money

[piggy]

Originally Posted by dcclanuk

downloading schedule or our day schedule? Coz i mite have to stay awake past midnight just to browse! 350mb is a JOKE. Virgin Media are starting to make Tiscali look good. Enough said...

i am with tiscali and you cant download torrents in peak hrs they are unusable!! people just need to manage there time better all isps manage traffic, going fwd it will only get worse bandwidth is not "unlimited" no matter what uma says

[dcclanuk]

Originally Posted by piggy

i am with tiscali and you cant download torrents in peak hrs they are unusable!! people just need to manage there time better all isps manage traffic, going fwd it will only get worse bandwidth is not "unlimited" no matter what uma says

when i was with tiscali, u could download torrents during peak hours... the speeds just sucked due to the OVERSUBSCRIPTION

[mertle]

I think there is a few misguided on here who think it wont effect them. If I can hit that 2meg connection limit with just browsing and a couple of streams from gaming sites last night then god help us all. Tonight so far I have just been here and couple of other forums I wonder 50mins in I am close to its limit.

Any caping should be taken into consideration what speed can the various packages do. What can the maximum those packages can achieve in downloading in those 4 hours. That then should be the cap it would be alot fairer. Quite frankly I like others smell a huge gigantic rat of a lie obout real intentions. I somehow don't think this is about restriction of a few heavy users. This is all about getting everybody on more expensive packages. VM don't really want us on 2meg or 4meg services but are not stupid to suddenly say these services are no longer available in fear of outrage and loss of customers.

[piggy]

Originally Posted by dcclanuk

when i was with tiscali, u could download torrents during peak hours... the speeds just sucked due to the OVERSUBSCRIPTION

exactly so whats the answer....at least if peak traffic is "shaped" everybody gets a slice

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Originally Posted by mertle

I think there is a few misguided on here who think it wont effect them. If I can hit that 2meg connection limit with just browsing and a couple of streams from gaming sites last night then god help us all. Tonight so far I have just been here and couple of other forums I wonder 50mins in I am close to its limit.

Any caping should be taken into consideration what speed can the various packages do. What can the maximum those packages can achieve in downloading in those 4 hours. That then should be the cap it would be alot fairer. Quite frankly I like others smell a huge gigantic rat of a lie obout real intentions. I somehow don't think this is about restriction of a few heavy users. This is all about getting everybody on more expensive packages. VM don't really want us on 2meg or 4meg services but are not stupid to suddenly say these services are no longer available in fear of outrage and loss of customers.

if that happens then there is no cap!!

[popper]

Originally Posted by peanutkp

Shawty and arcamalpha2004 I also agree with you. What I said is what the other side of the argument is, I'm sure you've heard it all a million times anyway.

I'm gutted that I now have 20mb that I can only use for 21mins continously from 4pm (glad I don't go to work). Why bring out 20mb in the 1st place.

you may have noticed that the 20Mbit tear is infact reduced by 75% during the times the shaping is in operation, rather than the 50% of the other packages/tears, how can VM justyfy that ?.

[dcclanuk]

Originally Posted by piggy

exactly so whats the answer....at least if peak traffic is "shaped" everybody gets a slice

I am on a deal, but for people paying £18, the tiscali price is £17.99 for "UPTO" 8mb... where I could easily get 7.1mb, which I think is the theoretical maximum with overheads and all... cant remember exactly now! So if it wasnt OVERSUBSCRIBED, it would be a good deal!

Originally Posted by popper

you may have noticed that the 20Mbit tear is infact reduced by 75% during the times the shaping is in operation, rather than the 50% of the other packages/tears, how can VM justyfy that ?.

yes, I agree, that is sad

Maybe the people paying £37 for 10mb/20mb might move over to bethere, to get higher speeds and no throttling, and save some money! [£35 with a BT line!] Surely people can get around 16mb!

[boodykaka]

Originally Posted by dontpannic

Yes I agree with some of your comments, but I'm sick and tired of people like you constantly complaining about means of controlling heavy usage and making the network a better place for the average Joe.

With regards to your DVD purchase entitling you to download every copy in existence you are legally entitled to download the DVD IMAGE of Deja-Vu. Blu-Ray is a completely different media. You paid for the rights to watch and own a copy of a standard definition film, so does that automatically entitle you to go out and download a High Def version? Of course not!

You can't expect to go out and buy a Ford Fiesta and think that entitles you to go out and steal someone's Aston DB9? Because you paid for the Fiesta?

Of course it doesn't.

And yes, there are legal P2P downloads, of course there are, but the majority of people complaining are the ones who will no longer be able to download all those illegal movies / music / games.

As for saying "Cable users seem to have little intellect or basic written comprehension skills."

So my grammar is incorrect? Spelling? No, thought not. I like to think I have quite good intellect and comprehension skills. You can't tar all people under the same brush - it's on the same league as racism. I can tell that is the typical anti-cable response. I am unbiased. The way you receive a service is always going to be different from someone else. It doesn't matter if your broadband is delivered via Cable modem, ADSL, dog, Whitney Houston or swimming pools, it just so happens that the way the network has been designed means that the 5% of top users are spoiling other peoples connections.

Traffic shaping is a good thing, and I'm pretty sure most of you are over-reacting. I downloaded 3 Linux ISO's yesterday evening (I think around 5pm) and I am still on 20mb. That was heavy usage in my eyes, around 2gb in one night.

Traffic shaping is Virgin's way of controlling the users who refuse to work by the T&C's. ADSL have hard caps on the cheaper connections. Think yourself lucky your 20meg is only going down to JUST 10MB, still a faster connection than the national average, rather than being cut off completely.

The thing people are failing to understand is that traffic shaping is helping. Already I am noticing slight falls in ping times at peak times. And the 20meg users who are complaining shouldn't. 20meg is one of the fastest connection speeds for home users in the UK. The national average is, according to Thinkbroadband.com (2.03MBps). Even when shaped, 10meg is 5 times the national average, so I don't see why people are complaining?

Flame me all you like, I'm past caring now. People are just going to come back and quote parts of my post saying I'm talking rubbish and stuff like that, but I really don't care any more. I have a life outside of the internet and I intend to make the most of it rather than complaining that my internet connection has been mis-described. So what if it has? I'd rather that my broadband was mis-described than find out a friend outside of the internet has a terminal disease. It seems some on this forum seem to think that broadband rules the world and life without broadband would be no life at all.

I'm going to go and do some work now and forget about traffic shaping - it's just not important.

Nick

I think i had better get the hoover out & help suck you out from VM's assa

[ecksmen]

Does anyone know how they implement the shaping? As in, once you've broken the limit will you always be shaped between 4 and 12, or just on the day of offense of going over 3GB within the set timeframe?

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I'm a little concerned even though I download less now on 10Mbps than on previous slower connection (dsl connections).

I wouldn't class myself as a heavy user, but I pay for 10Mbps (OK, up to 10Mbps) so that if I do want something, potenially it'll be there within a few seconds / minutes. While over a month I may only download say 20Gb for arguments sake (not heavy over 30days) but that will be within a short period of time say over a couple of days so I can see me being capped. I may have to see how this fairs out, as it could leave me with a 5Mbps connection and paying for upto 20mbps. What I'm trying to say is, if I only use my connection properly during peak times then this 10Mbps could well not be worth bothering with as when I'll want to use it, i'll be stuck on 5Mbps.

[Slyone]

quite frankly I am d/l 24/7 and if other people suffer...............tough. You pays your money you take the breaks.

[J.D]

Originally Posted by Slyone

quite frankly I am d/l 24/7 and if other people suffer...............tough. You pays your money you take the breaks.

Past tense now sunshine .

Those days are gone. Why not just use it at night?. If it's because your using torrents then you need to learn about newsgroups. If your using Newsgroups 24/7 then I'm glad people like you will be shaped. Hopefully it boils you enough that you change your ISP so you can go and hog that one .

[popper]

Originally Posted by Slyone

quite frankly I am d/l 24/7 and if other people suffer...............tough. You pays your money you take the breaks.

before people start jumping on your post id like to ask, assuming you had access to many modems and was in effect able to download any amount of content, would there be a limit even for you that you download?, also what is your prefered way to get your 24/7 content as it may be relevant.

[J.D]

Originally Posted by popper

before people start jumping on your post id like to ask, assuming you had access to many modems and was in effect able to download any amount of content, would there be a limit even for you that you download?, also what is your prefered way to get your 24/7 content as it may be relevant.

Worded differently but snap!!!!.