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Old 05-10-2004, 21:50   #1
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As its getting cold and winter like [as it is all year ] ive started UT again, only i cant play on most servers.
So i did a tracert to our server once it was empty and i had nothing else running at all.

1 <1 ms <1 ms <1 ms 192.168.0.1
2 33 ms 6 ms 14 ms 10.10.112.1
3 26 ms 31 ms 23 ms bagu-t2cam1-b-ge93.inet.ntl.com [80.5.162.133]
4 108 ms 143 ms 124 ms bagu-t2core-b-ge-wan63.inet.ntl.com [80.5.161.13
7]
5 177 ms 175 ms 171 ms lee-bb-b-so-300-0.inet.ntl.com [62.253.188.29]
6 129 ms 114 ms 143 ms ren-bb-a-so-000-0.inet.ntl.com [62.253.185.161]

7 47 ms 31 ms 67 ms bre-bb-b-so-200-0.inet.ntl.com [62.253.185.166]

8 27 ms 25 ms 27 ms bre-bb-a-ae0-0.inet.ntl.com [213.105.172.86]
9 69 ms 71 ms 87 ms redb-ic-1-so-010-0.inet.ntl.com [62.253.188.106]

10 178 ms 180 ms 213 ms xpe.999.gi0-3.rt0.thdo.catalyst2.com [217.79.160
.108]
11 182 ms 159 ms 127 ms 213.230.200.165

My m8 in our UT clan laughed when he saw this. Someone immediately said [9:43pm]«@ KI» its prolly your ubr m8
[9:43pm]«@ KI» oversubscribed :/

Hes on NTL in Scotland and had no probs on the same server.
All the dutch guys blamed me for lagging them on a UK server

[9:47pm]«@ KI» 1 <1 ms <1 ms <1 ms gateway.mshome.net [192.168.0.1]
[9:47pm]«@ KI» 2 8 ms 11 ms 6 ms 10.110.96.1
[9:47pm]«@ KI» 3 8 ms 7 ms 7 ms oldh-t2cam1-b-ge-wan42-113.inet.ntl.com [80.5.16
[9:47pm]«@ KI» 4.181]
[9:47pm]«@ KI» 4 12 ms 8 ms 9 ms mant-t2core-b-ge-wan81.inet.ntl.com [213.104.242
[9:47pm]«@ KI» .201]
[9:47pm]«@ KI» 5 8 ms 16 ms 9 ms man-bb-b-so-210-0.inet.ntl.com [62.253.184.61]
[9:47pm]«@ KI» 6 14 ms 14 ms 20 ms win-bb-a-so-300-0.inet.ntl.com [62.253.185.138]
[9:47pm]«@ KI» 7 64 ms 17 ms 28 ms bre-bb-b-so-100-0.inet.ntl.com [213.105.172.234]
[9:47pm]«@ KI» 8 18 ms 27 ms 17 ms bre-bb-a-ae0-0.inet.ntl.com [213.105.172.86]
[9:47pm]«@ KI» 9 17 ms 18 ms 17 ms redb-ic-1-so-010-0.inet.ntl.com [62.253.188.106]
[9:47pm]«@ KI» 10 18 ms 17 ms 18 ms xpe.999.gi0-3.rt0.thdo.catalyst2.com [217.79.160
[9:47pm]«@ KI» .108]
[9:47pm]«@ KI» 11 18 ms 17 ms 29 ms 213.230.200.165

Those are his, and he goes through Manchester where i live!!!!
Is there anything that can be done?
Or am i stuck with this crappy connection.
Oh yeh its 1.5 meg Sacm.
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Re: Server trace
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Hes on NTL in Scotland and had no probs on the same server.
That second trace is from someone in the Oldham area - specifically on a UBR in Burnley (10.110.96.1). Hence it's not totally surprising that it's going through Manchester. I suggest he get a new A-Z!

The UBR isn't oversubscribed, either, this is peak time and nothing's even touching 50% of capacity.

The big increase in ping times between hops 3 and 4 is slightly worrying though, although my ping times in the reverse direction are all of 16ms to your UBR from here, which is fine. What does a ping directly to hops 3 and 4 give you?
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Re: Server trace
1 <1 ms <1 ms <1 ms 192.168.0.1
2 7 ms 7 ms 6 ms 10.10.112.1
3 24 ms 8 ms 6 ms bagu-t2cam1-b-ge93.inet.ntl.com [80.5.162.133]
is trace 3

1 <1 ms <1 ms <1 ms 192.168.0.1
2 7 ms 7 ms 7 ms 10.10.112.1
3 6 ms 8 ms 10 ms bagu-t2cam1-b-ge93.inet.ntl.com [80
4 8 ms 7 ms 8 ms bagu-t2core-b-ge-wan62.inet.ntl.com
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5 * * * Request timed out.
6 * * * Request timed out.
7 * * * Request timed out.
8 * * * Request timed out.
9 * * * Request timed out.
10 * * * Request timed out.

is trace 4.

Yeh soz hes Scottish, but lives locally, my mistake not his.
Thanks for the quick reply, i dont expect perfection, but playable would help a lot.
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Re: Server trace
Any chance of 100 or so pings to each of 80.5.162.133 and 80.5.161.137?
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Errr not sure how i go about that one?
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Re: Server trace
just use "ping -t ipaddress" it will continue until you hit CTRL+C

*after hitting CTRL+C you'll get the overall statistics of the completed pings
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Re: Server trace
Cheers for that, not something i do a lot of, as you know in most online gaming, you can test ping on the server.
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Re: Server trace
Pinging 80.5.162.133 with 32 bytes of data:

Reply from 80.5.162.133: bytes=32 time=7ms TTL=253
Reply from 80.5.162.133: bytes=32 time=6ms TTL=253
Reply from 80.5.162.133: bytes=32 time=6ms TTL=253
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Reply from 80.5.162.133: bytes=32 time=7ms TTL=253

Ping statistics for 80.5.162.133:
Packets: Sent = 103, Received = 103, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
Minimum = 6ms, Maximum = 40ms, Average = 7ms

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C:\Documents and Settings\GORDON>ping -t 80.5.162.133

Pinging 80.5.161.137 with 32 bytes of data:

Reply from 80.5.161.137: bytes=32 time=30ms TTL=252
Reply from 80.5.161.137: bytes=32 time=7ms TTL=252
Reply from 80.5.161.137: bytes=32 time=9ms TTL=252
Reply from 80.5.161.137: bytes=32 time=7ms TTL=252
Reply from 80.5.161.137: bytes=32 time=9ms TTL=252
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Reply from 80.5.161.137: bytes=32 time=7ms TTL=252
Reply from 80.5.161.137: bytes=32 time=7ms TTL=252
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Reply from 80.5.161.137: bytes=32 time=37ms TTL=252
Reply from 80.5.161.137: bytes=32 time=100ms TTL=252
Reply from 80.5.161.137: bytes=32 time=158ms TTL=252
Reply from 80.5.161.137: bytes=32 time=22ms TTL=252

Ping statistics for 80.5.161.137:
Packets: Sent = 65, Received = 65, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
Minimum = 6ms, Maximum = 158ms, Average = 11ms

Not quite a 100, is that enough i hope?
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Re: Server trace
Average of 7ms 2nd hop (on ntl's network) and 11ms on 3rd hop is absolutely excellent - there's no UBR congestion, but of course you didn't do it at peak times. Is the problem more manifest at peak times?
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I have to say that, from time to time, I have noticed probs that appear to start at bagu-t2core too. When I manage to capture a tracert (or ping) showing this then I'll post it.
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I have to say that, from time to time, I have noticed probs that appear to start at bagu-t2core too. When I manage to capture a tracert (or ping) showing this then I'll post it.

I hope you can find it m8 i really do,and no sorry, they were done asap this morning, i will try and do the same at about 7-9pm, thats usually my main online gaming time.
I do get funny spikes at other times, ive used one of those bandwidth monitor tools, and all of a sudden its like it cuts off,then recovers, but does,nt totally destroy the connection if that makes any sense at all.
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Ping problems in Manchester
Have tried playing counter strike over the last few days to find my ping has dropped badly.
Did a traceroute and got the following:

Tracing route to www.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.30]
over a maximum of 30 hops:
1 19 ms 35 ms 104 ms 10.17.80.1
2 72 ms 177 ms 46 ms bagu-t2cam1-a-ge-wan54-126.inet.ntl.com [80.5.162.105]
3 31 ms 95 ms 77 ms bagu-t2core-a-ge-wan61.inet.ntl.com [80.5.161.5]
4 59 ms 19 ms * man-bb-a-so-100-0.inet.ntl.com [62.253.188.25]
5 43 ms 34 ms 38 ms man-bb-b-ae0-0.inet.ntl.com [62.253.187.178]
6 30 ms 133 ms 215 ms win-bb-a-so-300-0.inet.ntl.com [62.253.185.138]
7 41 ms 67 ms 16 ms win-dc-a-v900.inet.ntl.com [62.253.188.162]
8 92 ms 15 ms 14 ms www.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.30]
Trace complete.

These pings seem really bad to me. Anyone able to help?
Using a cable modem on 750k btw
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Re: Ping problems in Manchester
I am in Manchester Where abouts are you I am Droylsden and I have just done this tracert.

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Tracing route to www.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.30]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

1 <10 ms <10 ms <10 ms 192.168.0.1
2 20 ms 10 ms 10 ms 10.11.32.1
3 10 ms 10 ms 10 ms oldh-t2cam1-b-ge-wan51-120.inet.ntl.com [80.5.16
4.209]
4 10 ms 110 ms 10 ms mant-t2core-b-ge-wan64.inet.ntl.com [213.104.242
.181]
5 <10 ms 10 ms 10 ms man-bb-b-so-130-0.inet.ntl.com [213.105.174.22]

6 10 ms 20 ms 10 ms win-bb-a-so-300-0.inet.ntl.com [62.253.185.138]

7 10 ms 20 ms 10 ms win-dc-a-v900.inet.ntl.com [62.253.188.162]
8 10 ms 21 ms 10 ms www.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.30]

Trace complete.
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