Coming soon to Virgin TV (2012) Vol. 1

[passingbat]

Originally Posted by Rillington

I think you're right - after all, only a certain number of customers will pay the extra money just for a few new internet-based applications, especially in the current economic climate.

Tivo offers a lot more than that but I still think £5 'seems' a lot more than £3, especialy as, until you've had Tivo, people aren't aware of how good it is.

For people who already have one Tivo, I think going from £3 to £5 will especially make people think twice about upgrading their second box (V+) to Tivo, now that, since last October time, it is per box, rather than per account

[alwaysabear]

Originally Posted by passingbat

The impression I got from the last quarterly results report was that although Tivo costs £3, payable to Tivo, because it's selling well and there is a demand for it, VM saw it as an opportunity to charge extra for it and pocket the difference. I think that an extra £5 for Tivo may be pushing it a bit; psycologically it seems a lot more than £3, and I think the rate of Tivo growth may decline.

In other words they are profiteering off the the successful launch of TiVo, good grief they must be as bad as Sky.

[Horizon]

Originally Posted by passingbat

The impression I got from the last quarterly results report was that although Tivo costs £3, payable to Tivo, because it's selling well and there is a demand for it, VM saw it as an opportunity to charge extra for it and pocket the difference. I think that an extra £5 for Tivo may be pushing it a bit; psycologically it seems a lot more than £3, and I think the rate of Tivo growth may decline.

I agree.

[denphone]

Originally Posted by alwaysabear

In other words they are profiteering off the the successful launch of TiVo, good grief they must be as bad as Sky.

No different to any other company or business as the clear aim at the end of the day for any company is to make a profit.

[passingbat]

Originally Posted by DaMac

Are we saying that the current TiVo is the Be-all and end all of T.V. present and future? SKY might launch a box that can play p.c. games, BT might launch a box with built in video calling, why rush in paying obscene amounts of money for the next new thing, i got my Samsung V+ box because i read a review that it was mpeg4 compatible, but that functionallity will never ever get used now so it was pointless really and a waste of £75 or whatever it was, i could have stayed with my SA and enjoyed really good sd AND hd quality.

In my view, it's not the net features that make it good; as has been said, Br players, TVs etc can do all that. It's the things like wishlists and three recordable tuners, multiroom streaming (when it arrives), ongoing series inks etc, that make Tivo great. Some of these can be incorporated in the next Sky box, but Tivo has them now and some of the functionality can't be used by anyone else apart from Tivo due to patents.

[Rillington]

Originally Posted by DaMac

Are we saying that the current TiVo is the Be-all and end all of T.V. present and future?

That's what VM is saying DaMac.

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Originally Posted by passingbat

Tivo offers a lot more than that but I still think £5 'seems' a lot more than £3, especialy as, until you've had Tivo, people aren't aware of how good it is.

But that's my impression of it - a box with a bigger harddrive and a few internet applications such as youtube.

I won't pay £3 per month for it, neither now or at any time in the future and if VM want me to have Tivo then don't charge me extra for it.

[passingbat]

Originally Posted by alwaysabear

In other words they are profiteering off the the successful launch of TiVo, good grief they must be as bad as Sky.

Originally Posted by denphone

No different to any other company or business as the clear aim at the end of the day for any company is to make a profit.

Nothing wrong with making a profit, but if you pitch a price rise wrongly in tone and increase the price hgher than people are prepaired to pay, that price rise that was meant to give you more profit may backfire.

[Horizon]

Originally Posted by passingbat

In my view, it's not the net features that make it good; as has been said, Br players, TVs etc can do all that. It's the things like wishlists and three recordable tuners, multiroom streaming (when it arrives), ongoing series inks etc, that make Tivo great. Some of these can be incorporated in the next Sky box, but Tivo has them now and some of the functionality can't be used by anyone else apart from Tivo due to patents.

Not so sure about that. Perhaps Sky couldn't have thumbs signs on their remotes (I don't know) but they would just have something else.

But I agree about the £5 charge. A step too far, but we'll see what their figures are for this year, as and when they are released.

When did it become normal to be charged £5 a month for the "luxury" to record a tv programme?

[Digital Fanatic]

Originally Posted by Alan Fry

Do they offer Tivo for free as part of the VIP pack?

VIP50 and above, yes.

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Originally Posted by Rillington

That's what VM is saying DaMac.

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But that's my impression of it - a box with a bigger harddrive and a few internet applications such as youtube.

I won't pay £3 per month for it, neither now or at any time in the future and if VM want me to have Tivo then don't charge me extra for it.

errm ... I think you need to research TiVo a bit more then

[devilincarnate]

Originally Posted by Horizon

Not so sure about that. Perhaps Sky couldn't have thumbs signs on their remotes (I don't know) but they would just have something else.

Most likely a middle finger as a subtle message to all their customers

[denphone]

Originally Posted by passingbat

Nothing wrong with making a profit, but if you pitch a price rise wrongly in tone and increase the price hgher than people are prepaired to pay, that price rise that was meant to give you more profit may backfire.

Well PB we shall see if it backfires as l am sure Virgin will have had much thought and consideration before putting the price of the TiVo box up and only time will tell if this pays off or not.

[carlwaring]

Originally Posted by alwaysabear

I think for that to happen VM would either have to drop the TiVo charge or absorb it.

I would think that willhappen. It certainly did for the V+. That said, the V+ was "all their own work" whilst the Tivo isn't. So perhaps not

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Originally Posted by DaMac

Are we saying that the current TiVo is the Be-all and end all of T.V. present and future? SKY might launch a box that can play p.c. games, BT might launch a box with built in video calling...

Neither of which have anything to do with watching TV though

Originally Posted by Rillington

That's what VM is saying DaMac.

Arte they really. Can you please link to where they say that in a Press Release or some other official way. Thanks.

Originally Posted by Digital Fanatic

errm ... I think you need to research TiVo a bit more then

Indeed

[Rillington]

Originally Posted by Digital Fanatic

VIP50 and above, yes.

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errm ... I think you need to research TiVo a bit more then

I'll take your word on that but that's always been my impression that all Tivo is, over and above V+, is basically youtube on your television and a bigger harddrive with things like catch-up TV presented in a different way.

[carlwaring]

Start here with your research: http://www.youtube.com/virginmediativo

[andy_m]

In fairness to Rillington, Carl, Virgin have labelled Tivo "the best way to watch TV, ever". That's on all their ads and a lot of their documentation. I don't think it's much of a jump to get to what Rillington says.