Virgin media possibly getting serious on dodgy boxes?

[Peter_]

Originally Posted by Sirius

Just had a friend of a friend on the phone crying about his box going down in liverpool, I said thats your own fault you should have paid like everyone else. I said to him you now have 2 choices pay Nothing and get nothing or Pay like the rest of us and get your channels.

Now that is even better to hear as it means that the local thieves have lost their free television.

[pabloo]

Originally Posted by Sirius

Just had a friend of a friend on the phone crying about his box going down in liverpool, I said thats your own fault you should have paid like everyone else. I said to him you now have 2 choices pay Nothing and get nothing or Pay like the rest of us and get your channels.

now why would a friend of a friend who had a dodgy box call you???that doesnt make scense if you are so against dodgy boxes how would this Scenario happen?why would your 1st friend give HIS friend your number if your against thieves?and what is his fault?that his encrypted channels went off?it is Kudelskis fault not his ,if i was recieving pay channels for 7 or 8 years for nothing and they went off and i had to pay and if i asked someone like yourself why did they go off and you said its my fault i would say noooo its my dodgy boxes fault as it doesnt work no more lol.what a strange statement

[greeninferno]

Originally Posted by Chris

... which was a great self-righteous excuse for their thievery until the advent of services like Spotify.

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its a simple statement of fact.

there is a tiny minority who download this stuff to sell at markets etc. but the overwhelming majority who are net savvy want the releases as early as possible i.e. leaked and to watch TV premieres as soon as possible rather than wait 6 months for them to cross the Atlantic who will then go out and actually buy the box sets etc.

As always companies drag their heels when they should be embracing new technology.

[Kymmy]

If members don't have anything on-topic to say then please don't say anything at all.. Next time it may not be simple post deletions

[Stuart]

Originally Posted by vaishali1997

one person don't make big difference 1,250 pounds? lol that's all!

One person sharing files does not make a difference directly.

However, what happens is that one person shares it. Ten people download it, then share it. Ten people download from each of them (so we have 110 people sharing it now), and Ten people download from each of them. Now we have over 1,000 people sharing the original file. A couple of steps down the line, we will have 100,000. A couple of further steps and we could be up to 1 million.

1 person sharing a file will not directly make a difference. A few steps down the line, when thousands of people are sharing the file (and this is how Bit torrent works by default: You share everything you download), companies start going bankrupt and all of a sudden all those singers, songwriters, actors etc are losing money. A lot of money.

Know someone who saved £20,000 doing that lol

That's £20,000 thats not going to bands and singers who may need it..

[Kymmy]

That's an argument for another thread...

In the end though if you use your internet connection for copyright infringement they can find out and they can take action based on their own Terms and conditions in your contract.

Now lets get back on topic please which is Dodgy Boxes (i.e.. using modified or non-standard equipment to get services that has not been paid for)

[superbiatch]

Originally Posted by Masque

Now that is even better to hear as it means that the local thieves have lost their free television.

I've had two colleagues (and my mum i'm ashamed to say!) complaining their boxes are no longer working. I wonder how long it will be before VM and Sky are reporting record profits

[greeninferno]

A question people could ask themselves is why Virgin/Ntl etc left the network unsecured for so long?

Could it be that they were getting subs to phone and internet and the illegal boxes were actually costing sky money?

Another advantage was these boxes had was they were actually better quality and were updated more often than the official set top boxes.

[Hugh]

Or could it be it is because Virgin (and NTL before them) are a conglomeration of smaller Cable companies, which came together due to the industry consolidation of the 90's and 00's, and it takes time to standardise everything?

[Digital Fanatic]

Originally Posted by Hugh

Or could it be it is because Virgin (and NTL before them) are a conglomeration of smaller Cable companies, which came together due to the industry consolidation of the 90's and 00's, and it takes time to standardise everything?

Plus it's very expensive to change encryption systems / card swaps etc.

[Sirius]

Originally Posted by pabloo

now why would a friend of a friend who had a dodgy box call you???that doesnt make scense if you are so against dodgy boxes how would this Scenario happen?why would your 1st friend give HIS friend your number if your against thieves?and what is his fault?that his encrypted channels went off?it is Kudelskis fault not his ,if i was recieving pay channels for 7 or 8 years for nothing and they went off and i had to pay and if i asked someone like yourself why did they go off and you said its my fault i would say noooo its my dodgy boxes fault as it doesnt work no more lol.what a strange statement

He did it to wind his friend up. He never told him who i work for or what it is i do.

He told him i might have an answer for his problem.

[Rainman]

So now all these dodgy boxes are going down would you think there will be an uptake of proper VM TV, if so would that mean VM would reduce their price.
Or do you think they would now go to Sky or BT as the dodgy boxes was just used on the line while they used phone line and broadband.
So if more leave VM would price's go up.

[Digital Fanatic]

Originally Posted by Rainman

So now all these dodgy boxes are going down would you think there will be an uptake of proper VM TV, if so would that mean VM would reduce their price.
Or do you think they would now go to Sky or BT as the dodgy boxes was just used on the line while they used phone line and broadband.
So if more leave VM would price's go up.

Without going in to too much detail... subscriber growth is healthy in areas where dodgy boxes are getting bricked

Prices aren't going to come down, but more subscribers means more revenue, more revenue means they can invest more in the network, channels, VOD and customer experience, plus better hardware.

[RobboEdin]

Originally Posted by Digital Fanatic

Without going in to too much detail... subscriber growth is healthy in areas where dodgy boxes are getting bricked

Prices aren't going to come down, but more subscribers means more revenue, more revenue means they can invest more in the network, channels, VOD and customer experience, plus better hardware.

That's good to hear. As a result of the 'amnesty' on dodgy box owners, results have been good.

I hope, however, that there will be no further amnesty for those that are now choosing card sharing to defraud Virgin Media and that Virgin Media will pursue these people ruthlessly.

[Sirius]

Originally Posted by RobboEdin

that Virgin Media will pursue these people ruthlessly.

Fully agree with you other wise they have wasted a hell of a lot of money in doing this last card swap