Splitting the cable to V+ box

[keef319]

Hi all.

My set up is....
Living room - cable point, connected to v+ box
Upstairs - cable point, split, one going to V box, the other going to modem/router.

I was wondering, if I split the cable downstairs, one going to v+ box and the other to modem/router, would this have any significant effect on the signal going to my v+ box?

I don't know if the v+ box requires a better signal than a V box, as it has 3 tuners etc...

T.I.A

[Chris]

Whether it affects the box or not, altering the cabling in any way is a breach of the terms and conditions of service you signed up for when you joined Virgin Media. If you do damage your service, and a tech has to come out and fix it, as soon as he finds out it was your fault you are liable to get charged for the call-out and repair.

So you might want to weigh up the risk before you get your wire cutters out.

That said, hang around here a while and someone will doubtless be able to tell you how much of a risk it is.

[nomadking]

Are you talking about moving the VM supplied 2-way splitter that you have upstairs and moving it downstairs along with the modem/router?

[keef319]

Yeah sorry, should of made that clearer.

Upstairs, Virgin put a 2-way splitter onto the cable point. I'd simply unscrew that and and move it downstairs, along with the modem/router.

[nomadking]

I have an arrangement of two different splitters in my flat in order to provide three feeds(V+, modem, analogue TV) of one sort or another. I have been told by a VM engineer and by VM Customer services that I could change the wiring configuration around if there were problems with the signal level to the V+ box. This may not be an official answer but it suggests that it should be ok.

[Graham M]

It should be fine but if you cause yourself problems for which an engineer has to be called by changing things around then you would be liable for the callout charge.

[march.brown]

Originally Posted by keef319

Yeah sorry, should of made that clearer.

Upstairs, Virgin put a 2-way splitter onto the cable point. I'd simply unscrew that and and move it downstairs, along with the modem/router.

The level into the upstairs TV will rise by 3.5db when the splitter is removed and the level into the downstairs TV will drop by 3.5db when the splitter is added ... The level into the router will be the same ... There should be no problems in doing the job since you are not going to cut the cable ...
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[sollp]

Originally Posted by nomadking

I have an arrangement of two different splitters in my flat in order to provide three feeds(V+, modem, analogue TV) of one sort or another. I have been told by a VM engineer and by VM Customer services that I could change the wiring configuration around if there were problems with the signal level to the V+ box. This may not be an official answer but it suggests that it should be ok.

Typical of customer service to give out mixed and incorrect advice, you shouldn't touch the cabling at all as you may not know if you have created problems for yourself and others on the network.

[piggy]

Originally Posted by sollp

Typical of customer service to give out mixed and incorrect advice, you shouldn't touch the cabling at all as you may not know if you have created problems for yourself and others on the network.

cable splitters and ext cables are now sent out on request from c/s, have ago yourself no crime will be committed and no charges will be raised, if it dosnt work put it all back, there are hundres of self installs done every week

[Albie]

Originally Posted by piggy

cable splitters and ext cables are now sent out on request from c/s, have ago yourself no crime will be committed and no charges will be raised, if it dosnt work put it all back, there are hundres of self installs done every week

I'm doing a self install next Tuesday and a splitter will be required.

My advice is not to cut the cable, just stick the splitter on the end of any existing cable. Then if it doesn't work you'll not be stuck.

[the-cable-guy]

Originally Posted by Chris T

Whether it affects the box or not, altering the cabling in any way is a breach of the terms and conditions of service you signed up for when you joined Virgin Media. If you do damage your service, and a tech has to come out and fix it, as soon as he finds out it was your fault you are liable to get charged for the call-out and repair.

So you might want to weigh up the risk before you get your wire cutters out.

That said, hang around here a while and someone will doubtless be able to tell you how much of a risk it is.

if you do it properly it wont effect it at all, however if you mess it up you'l have to pay VM to fix the mess that you'v made of it. at present im using a 4-way splitter instead of the 2-way that VM installed, but then iv known how to do it for years. my advice if you dont know how to do it search the internet on how to fit f plugs correctly, as its not the same as rf (standard tv) plugs. its pretty easy really, however if you cant figure it out leave well alone

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Originally Posted by nomadking

I have an arrangement of two different splitters in my flat in order to provide three feeds(V+, modem, analogue TV) of one sort or another. I have been told by a VM engineer and by VM Customer services that I could change the wiring configuration around if there were problems with the signal level to the V+ box. This may not be an official answer but it suggests that it should be ok.

? why are you using two splitters ? you do realise that your most likely messing your signal levels up by doing so, you should be using one 3 or 4-way splitter not two.

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Originally Posted by sollp

Typical of customer service to give out mixed and incorrect advice, you shouldn't touch the cabling at all as you may not know if you have created problems for yourself and others on the network.

yes thats what VM say as most people dont have a clue how to do it (although its very easy). the only cable that im using that isint VM's is the one that i use for FTA analogue cable TV & my own splitter of course however iv kept VM's splitter so if i ever call them out i just remove my 'extra' cable & splitter & connect theirs back up, so they'l never be the wiser

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Originally Posted by Albie

I'm doing a self install next Tuesday and a splitter will be required

thats funny cuz iv asked about self installs countless times & VM said that customers are not allowed to, another case of CS telling different people different things.

[Chris]

Originally Posted by the-cable-guy

if you do it properly it wont effect it at all, however if you mess it up you'l have to pay VM to fix the mess that you'v made of it. at present im using a 4-way splitter instead of the 2-way that VM installed, but then iv known how to do it for years. my advice if you dont know how to do it search the internet on how to fit f plugs correctly, as its not the same as rf (standard tv) plugs. its pretty easy really, however if you cant figure it out leave well alone

Do you find screw-on f plugs are sufficient, or would you recommend getting the bits and pieces necessary to crimp?

[the-cable-guy]

if you know what your doing then screw on f plugs are fine (their what i use). however if someone is unsure it wouldnt hurt to invest in a crimp kit, as their fairly cheap & get the job done. theres alot of guides on the internet that show you how to connect f plugs correctly & from my experience of talking to other people, alot seem to think that their done in the same way as rf plugs.

[sollp]

Originally Posted by piggy

cable splitters and ext cables are now sent out on request from c/s, have ago yourself no crime will be committed and no charges will be raised, if it dosnt work put it all back, there are hundres of self installs done every week

Well thats a self install, which i don't agree with. The problems caused by installers is bad enough, self installs and people doing there own work will cause more issues.

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Originally Posted by the-cable-guy

if you know what your doing then screw on f plugs are fine (their what i use). however if someone is unsure it wouldnt hurt to invest in a crimp kit, as their fairly cheap & get the job done. theres alot of guides on the internet that show you how to connect f plugs correctly & from my experience of talking to other people, alot seem to think that their done in the same way as rf plugs.

Screw on F connectors are not fine, the cable must be terminated using the correct connector and tool. Yes we will be knowing there is possibly a problem being caused by the splitters cabling and connectors you may be using by the ingress caused on the network that is playing havoc with the CM upstream.

[piggy]

Originally Posted by sollp

Well thats a self install, which i don't agree with. The problems caused by installers is bad enough, self installs and people doing there own work will cause more issues.

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Screw on F connectors are not fine, the cable must be terminated using the correct connector and tool. Yes we will be knowing there is possibly a problem being caused by the splitters cabling and connectors you may be using by the ingress caused on the network that is playing havoc with the CM upstream.

screw on f connectors might not be ideal but a well fitted one is no worse than the poor quality cable we send out for the self installs