No More HD - Confirmed By VM

[supremus]

Originally Posted by JethroUK

Even funnier is how elitists don't beleive their own eyes because the specification says so

The specifications say elitists don't believe their own eyes? I'm not sure I understand what you're trying to say, but I've never seen an elitist that came with a manual or printed specifications. They're usually self-explanatory, even if most people don't understand them.

Ought to add that only a few people beleive digital = better (as i've already mentioned on this very thread) - but that doesn't mean digital = poorer either - only elitist are ill-informed enough to leap to that conclusion - coz it don't says so in the specification

Poorer that what? You seem to have constructed an artificial argument here. I'm saying the claims about CD quality audio and HD quality upscaling are simply untrue, despite what the great unwashed masses with their 28" $399 "HD Ready" sets from ASDA might claim.

[JethroUK]

Originally Posted by supremus

The specifications say elitists don't believe their own eyes? I'm not sure I understand what you're trying to say.

That should it be written that a camera has trillion megapixels - elistists will 'claim' to see it - not only will they claim it's better - they will even notice how much better it is (they'll have to do the math first of course - and they will only be able to see it - after they see the specification - you know the sort we are talking about - OK?

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Originally Posted by supremus

Poorer that what?

Let me back track for you - You have just launched a couple statements

Originally Posted by supremus

..It's quite amazing how gullible the masses are...

Originally Posted by supremus

..When it comes to anything digital, they seem to believe the propaganda..

here you imply anyone else ("they") using digital technology - is so - just because they're stupid - any other concievable reason has been dimissed out of hand

which in turn suggests digital = poor/worse/for the idiots only

Originally Posted by supremus

... I'm saying the claims about CD quality audio and HD quality upscaling are simply untrue..

no body is making any claims about CD audio which is another stab a digital technology (coincidence - not! ) and is a very old chestnut - elitists can carry on playing vinyl, and shooting 35mm film (because they read it somewhere) - but to suggest 'we' are all stupid because we buy 'digital' is the definition of elitism - for the record, it's also crap as well

Originally Posted by supremus

...despite what the great unwashed masses with their 28" $399 "HD Ready" sets from ASDA might claim.

ouch! - anyone got one of these? i'll apologise coz it must have hurt a bit

actually - prolly best if you don't post here unless you paid £3000 up for your monitor - better still a CRT with r/f in - otherwise you could be in for a real bumpy ride
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[sherer]

thanks for correcting me on the the HD Indy thing, didn't realise it was already filmed in higher quality.

[supremus]

Originally Posted by JethroUK

That should it be written that a camera has trillion megapixels - elistists will 'claim' to see it - not only will they claim it's better - they will even notice how much better it is

It seems to me a true elitist would understand that there is far more to an assessment of camera quality than a simple megapixel calculation.

(they'll have to do the math first of course - and they will only be able to see it - after they see the specification - you know the sort we are talking about - OK?

No, I'm afraid I've never heard of these. Perhaps you bought the wrong kind of elitist? I don't know what ASDA's return policy is, but you should try to get a refund and maybe save up for a better one.

here you imply anyone else ("they") using digital technology - is so - just because they're stupid - any other concievable reason has been dimissed out of hand

No, you're imagining things. I'm merely commenting on a well documented lack of knowledge among the average consumer. There's a reason they're called "average", you know.

which in turn suggests digital = poor/worse/for the idiots only

Again, I've said no such thing. Stating that DTV audio isn't CD quality audio says nothing about its usefulness, its lack thereof, or how it might compare with analog.

no body is making any claims about CD audio which is another stab a digital technology (coincidence - not! ) and is a very old chestnut

Old chestnut, but nobody made the claim? Errr, right, then.

elitists can carry on playing vinyl, and shooting 35mm film (because they read it somewhere) - but to suggest 'we' are all stupid because we buy 'digital' is the definition of elitism - for the record, it's also crap as well

I'll once again have to remind you not to put words in my mouth. Read what I wrote. Don't just make stuff up.

actually - prolly best if you don't post here unless you paid £3000 up for your monitor - better still a CRT with r/f in - otherwise you could be in for a real bumpy ride.

Quite the contrary. Posting here, or at least reading forums like these, is likely to improve your knowledge about many of these subjects.

[Toto]

Bloody hell, here we go.

[Cobbydaler]

Pulls one up...

[homealone]

I don't care what anyone else thinks, I find the upscaling feature of the V+ box gives a superior picture on our 32" HD LCD telly than the previous Samsung 2100C did on the same telly.

That is my opinion based on personal experience, whether am being deluded or 'suffering' from propaganda is immaterial - I think it is better, which is all that matters to me, whether I have had a wash, or not

[JethroUK]

Originally Posted by supremus

No, you're imagining things. .

I see - I imagined what you posted - got it

Originally Posted by supremus

I'm merely commenting on a well documented lack of knowledge among the average consumer. There's a reason they're called "average", you know..

And you are? dare i say it - "better"? pttttttt!

who was it said "when you find yourself in a hole - the first thing to do is stop digging"

ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha

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Originally Posted by homealone

I don't care what anyone else thinks, I find the upscaling feature of the V+ box gives a superior picture on our 32" HD LCD telly than the previous Samsung 2100C did on the same telly.

Of course you are quite right

Originally Posted by homealone

That is my opinion based on personal experience, whether am being deluded or 'suffering' from propaganda is immaterial - I think it is better, which is all that matters to me, whether I have had a wash, or not

Thing is, TV's have their own built-in upscalers & if you spend £3-5K it might even be good enough not to need any extra help - so on paper external upscaling appears redundant - but the like of you and I who spend less than half that, find V+ upscaling a very real improvement in PQ - i would pay £75 for the upscaling alone

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[supremus]

Originally Posted by JethroUK

I see - I imagined what you posted - got it

What I posted is now a matter of public record. The conclusions you drew about what I was seemed to originate entirely in your imagination, or were the result of some profound comprehension problems. I will give you the benefit of the doubt and assume it was the former.

And you are? dare i say it - "better"? pttttttt!

That's a subjective term. Most people would probably say I am, but I would merely say I'm more informed than the average consumer.

who was it said "when you find yourself in a hole - the first thing to do is stop digging"

I assume this quote is the reason you have now abandoned all attempts at arguing your case?

[foreverwar]

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[ahardie]

Originally Posted by homealone

I don't care what anyone else thinks, I find the upscaling feature of the V+ box gives a superior picture on our 32" HD LCD telly than the previous Samsung 2100C did on the same telly.

That is my opinion based on personal experience, whether am being deluded or 'suffering' from propaganda is immaterial - I think it is better, which is all that matters to me, whether I have had a wash, or not

Pretty much how I feel about it.
I didn't expect upscaling to look as good as it did on my plasma. I know that to my eyes the picture is perfectly acceptable although not quite as sharp as HD. I wonder how many people really enjoy programmes more in HD than good upscaled pq. It's nothing like the difference between colour and B&W. Nor is it like listening to poor quality audio, as opposed to hifi where the distortion can actually be fatigueing.

[supremus]

Originally Posted by ahardie

Pretty much how I feel about it.
I didn't expect upscaling to look as good as it did on my plasma. I know that to my eyes the picture is perfectly acceptable although not quite as sharp as HD. I wonder how many people really enjoy programmes more in HD than good upscaled pq. It's nothing like the difference between colour and B&W. Nor is it like listening to poor quality audio, as opposed to hifi where the distortion can actually be fatigueing.

This is all correct. Broadcast HD really isn't all that great. It's considerably better than upscaled SD, of course, but it's not even close to the "looking out the window" effect some people describe. You will mostly notice a difference on text, such as scoreboards, credits and that sort of thing, which looks much more clearly defined than on SD. Where you can really see a difference is with high quality source material, such as (some) video games and BluRay movies, although most low and mid-range sets aren't really good enough to make HD worthwhile anyway, regardless of the source.

[Bob]

Originally Posted by homealone

I don't care what anyone else thinks, I find the upscaling feature of the V+ box gives a superior picture on our 32" HD LCD telly than the previous Samsung 2100C did on the same telly.

That is my opinion based on personal experience, whether am being deluded or 'suffering' from propaganda is immaterial - I think it is better, which is all that matters to me, whether I have had a wash, or not

My experience is the same with my 40' Sony LCD TV

[sherer]

as my BBCi doesn't work properly I went to my V+ BBC2 to my tuner in the TV and the drop in picture was very noticable, it wasn't till I saw the same picture on SD and upscaped HD that I realised how good the V+ box was it

[JethroUK]

Originally Posted by Bob

My experience is the same with my 40' Sony LCD TV

Don't let them hear you say that - a Sony - i say a Sony TV benefitting from external upscaling? - how very dare you

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Originally Posted by supremus

...you have now abandoned all attempts at arguing your case?

I have defended my case all over this thread - you, however have not once attempted to justify your arguments:

Originally Posted by supremus

...how gullible the masses are...

Originally Posted by supremus

...When it comes to anything digital, they seem to believe the propaganda..

...but like i say - you ought to stop digging