All Chipped Cable Boxes Going Down

[frogstamper]

Originally Posted by supremus

There was the issue of me supposedly being a thief, which seemed to be caused mostly by his outrage about this whole thing, and it certainly falls under the ill-informed category, considering my comments in this thread. It also remains to be seen if he really is as virtous as he claims with regards to not breaking any laws. If he isn't, that would somewhat undermine his would-be good point.

Still, it's late, so bygones.

Ive said my piece mate, and quite frankly it speaks for itself. As regards to weather I ever break the law, well Ill just say this, if I do, or had, I certainly wouldn't boast about it on a public forum.

[supremus]

Originally Posted by frogstamper

Ive said my piece mate, and quite frankly it speaks for itself.

Yes, you called me a thief for no good reason. My point about the self-righteousness is quite valid, though. You may object to people stealing cable, because it irritates you personally that someone else gets for free what you pay for, but as I said, that's really a far less offensive thing to do than putting someone else's life or health at risk through something so many people do so casually every day by speeding. Whether someone brags about it or not is really besides the point, and while most people around here do pay for the cable services, I suspect you would be hard pressed to find someone who hasn't broken the law in some way or another, so we probably have to put a little bit of an asterisk next to most of those supposedly "decent people" you mentioned earlier.

As regards to weather I ever break the law, well Ill just say this, if I do, or had, I certainly wouldn't boast about it on a public forum.

I'll take that as a yes, then.

[the-cable-guy]

Originally Posted by supremus

I think in your blind, ill-informed fit of self-righteous outrage, you have misunderstood something along the way. I don't even have cable, nor have I in any way condoned stealing of such services, I'm just saying the effects of doing so are relatively insignificant, and in the case of those who pay for a minimum subscription, arguably beneficial to the cable companies. Anyway, can I assume you're one of those people who have never done any speeding, downloaded mp3s, movies, TV shows or broken any laws whatsoever? Stamped on any frogs, perhaps? That's gotta be illegal.

while you have a point with what you said about torrents, as you dont have cable you have noway of knowing the effect that it has on us paying cable customers.

[supremus]

Originally Posted by the-cable-guy

while you have a point with what you said about torrents, as you dont have cable you have noway of knowing the effect that it has on us paying cable customers.

I've repeatedly asked for evidence of the supposed effects on cable customers, and none has been provided. I also did say I know many people who do have cable. None of them have had any piracy-induced problems, particularly not ones comparable to the problems caused by the cable companies themselves in the form of incorrect and even potentially illegal charges. The cable companies' apparent apathy towards individual offenders seems to support my point.

[the-cable-guy]

i aint gonna defend VM in anyway as iv said a few posts back i got well & truely ripped off by them. however why should someone get services for free that we pay for & btw im not well off im on the doll mate, so i cant really afford to pay for internet & TV however i do as im not a theif.

[supremus]

Originally Posted by the-cable-guy

i aint gonna defend VM in anyway as iv said a few posts back i got well & truely ripped off by them. however why should someone get services for free that we pay for & btw im not well off im on the doll mate, so i cant really afford to pay for internet & TV however i do as im not a theif.

I agree completely, it isn't fair, but that's a very different issue than suggesting it has an actual effect on paying subscribers, other than maybe on their blood pressure, when the pirates start boasting about getting it for free. Having said that, kudos to you for staying on the straight and narrow after getting screwed by Virgin (hmm, that's an odd thing to say, if you think about it). It's the sort of thing that could have driven a lesser man to the dark side of piracy.

[the-cable-guy]

the only thing that i have ever gotten for free is what they owe me £302 (well its not free its credit for what im owed) i dont currently pay for my services, the reason is cuz they have given me credit for what they owe me as they refered to send me the money & i also got a few months free broad band as they cut me off cuz they tried to say that i hadnt paid my bills & i will be paying £17 for my 4MB internet once i start paying again as their way of saying sorry. it took me over 1 & 1/2 years to get them to even admit that they were in the wrong. to say that im p*ssed off with VM is an understatment however im not going to lower myself to their level by becoming a theif & i always pay/have paid my bills on time.

[iglu]

Originally Posted by TraxData

No, VM are working in co-operating with the police to get warrants to search properties for illegal equipment, they can trace you quite easily.

P.S i suppose you could say for admitting on a forum as they have caught people by tracing them through IP's with forums as well.

I am wondering, will the "Cableforum team" pass to NTL, the IP address of a poster that admits cloning his/her modem?

[the-cable-guy]

your question has already been answered in this very post mate.

[iglu]

Originally Posted by the-cable-guy

your question has already been answered in this very post mate.

TraxData is not speaking for the cableforum team

[saabmania2]

Originally Posted by Raistlin

Because, of course, the skills of you 'coders' could never be put to any better use than stealing cable services could they?

I mean, what better way to utilise your l33t 5k1lz than to 'hack' (and I use that term in the perjoritive sense often applied by modern popular media, not the respectful sense in which is has been applied to some of the greatest true hackers of our time) cable set-top boxes so you can get your daily dose of boobies and football?

I only hope that two things happen:

1) that the cable operators find a way to shaft you no-hope, service stealing, thieves, for good, and
2) that they work out who you are and take the money they've saved by not having to maintain a service to your dodgy boxes and spend it screwing you for every penny you have.

Have a nice day though

well said
on another note a workmate of mine told me his friend uses a cloned modem and box so i asked him his address and grassed him up he's currently waiting to see what the police/vm do, one less thief off the network hehe!!

[ahardie]

Originally Posted by saabmania2

well said
on another note a workmate of mine told me his friend uses a cloned modem and box so i asked him his address and grassed him up he's currently waiting to see what the police/vm do, one less thief off the network hehe!!

Good for you

[Nidge]

Originally Posted by frogstamper

What sort of fool comes on a cable forum and boasts how easy it is to steal cable from a company the vast majority of us pay our hard earned cash to?

A fool that pays some criminal for a chipped box. it's about time VM got their act together and stopped these people from viewing free services.

[Rockabilly Spike]

I dunno bout anywhere else in the UK, but this chap is from my home town
http://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/north...name_page.html

[Ernie_C]

Here's the recent one from Glasgow:

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/sc...6908-20378014/