All Chipped Cable Boxes Going Down

[Mr_love_monkey]

Originally Posted by nutellajunkie

\uugh
On the other hand, if VirginMedia weren't so damn expensive..

Doesn't matter how much it costs, some people would just steal just out of principle

[slowcoach]

Originally Posted by supremus

Just out of curiosity, have any of the people who object to others "stealing" cable ever "stolen" MP3s or downloaded "illegal" movies or TV shows off the internet?

People only obey laws which are reasonable, the length of time a copyright runs for is seen as unreasonable to most working people who only get paid once for a days work.

[buba3d]

Once upon a time, this forum would have closed topics like these but goodness things have changed.

If people are stealing cable, then to me that's up to the cable company to find them, cut them off, sue them, and brand them with a hot branding iron

[mertle]

So how bad is this stealing services with rogue boxes. Anybody got some numbers to the severity of this problem.

What effect is this doing to us who have purchased services legitemately.

However on side note we do have differentiate what is serrious offences such as chipped dodgy boxes and not paying for it to VM I would say this the main issue many would be angry.

I would think if some perpetrators just use TV tuner card to computer. That would be to me minor offence if they already have suscribed service and want those subscribed channels on the tuner card or even be part of media centre.

I have DVB-C tuner in my TV. I would love this to tune to subscribed channels and work in tandem with the freeview box with channels what are not broadcasted on VM (sky three) etc.

To me this would be convenience but it would be technically illegal if managed to do it. But again I consider this a minor infringement as you already subscriber.

[Nugget]

Originally Posted by supremus

Just out of curiosity, have any of the people who object to others "stealing" cable ever "stolen" MP3s or downloaded "illegal" movies or TV shows off the internet?

Can't speak for anybody else, but I object to people stealing cable services, and I've never illegally downloaded anything

[danielf]

Originally Posted by Nugget

Can't speak for anybody else, but I object to people stealing cable services, and I've never illegally downloaded anything

Yeah, but you read the Mirror, so we don't believe you anyway.

[Nugget]

Originally Posted by danielf

Yeah, but you read the Mirror, so we don't believe you anyway.

Actually, I think you'll find that I only look at the pictures

Anyway, at least I paid for it

[wilkie2]

We went down to our local market today and as we were stood near the computer spares stall a bloke came up complaining that his 'box' wouldnt work,the bloke on the stall gave him 2 codes and said they were working this morning but if they aren't working now he would have to go on the internet and get the newer ones.

He said they will need to keep doing this until virgin get bored of changing them

[the-cable-guy]

Originally Posted by Losttheplot

Yes and to do that they use TT5020's with Videoguard CAMs, which needed an upgrade when NDS changed Sky's encryption.
Like I said, when Virgin do change the encryption they will send new software to the STB's which will enable them to work with the new CA, very likely to be a new iteration of Nagra. Hopefully this time they won't use the same cards available in other parts of the country. From memory I think it was Nagra ROM10 and ROM11 which were first opened up in Spain/South America and people in the UK used the same methods on the same cards in the UK.

yep im not having ago but it wasnt me that tried to say that VM STBs use both Videoguard & Nagravision (they dont).

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Originally Posted by supremus

Just out of curiosity, have any of the people who object to others "stealing" cable ever "stolen" MP3s or downloaded "illegal" movies or TV shows off the internet?

i was just thinking the same thing.

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Originally Posted by mertle

So how bad is this stealing services with rogue boxes. Anybody got some numbers to the severity of this problem.

What effect is this doing to us who have purchased services legitemately.

However on side note we do have differentiate what is serrious offences such as chipped dodgy boxes and not paying for it to VM I would say this the main issue many would be angry.

I would think if some perpetrators just use TV tuner card to computer. That would be to me minor offence if they already have suscribed service and want those subscribed channels on the tuner card or even be part of media centre.

I have DVB-C tuner in my TV. I would love this to tune to subscribed channels and work in tandem with the freeview box with channels what are not broadcasted on VM (sky three) etc.

To me this would be convenience but it would be technically illegal if managed to do it. But again I consider this a minor infringement as you already subscriber.

mate most ppl who have dodgy receivers pay for the cheapest VM TV package, so from what your saying what their doing is ok cuz they'v paid a subscription.

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Originally Posted by Mr_love_monkey

Doesn't matter how much it costs, some people would just steal just out of principle

true

[Stuart C]

Originally Posted by Nugget

Actually, I think you'll find that I only look at the pictures

You assume he meant the daily newspaper.. He could have meant a mirror.

[supremus]

Originally Posted by mertle

So how bad is this stealing services with rogue boxes. Anybody got some numbers to the severity of this problem.

What effect is this doing to us who have purchased services legitemately.

No effect whatsoever, which is why I personally have no problem with people doing it. I find it far more offensive that people smoke, speed or drive drunk, effectively putting other people at risk.

The cable companies even benefit to an extent, considering that most dodgy box owners appear to have a minimum subscription, so it might not even be in their best interest to drive them to Sky instead, which seems like the better option, if you're going to pay full price anyway.

I would think if some perpetrators just use TV tuner card to computer. That would be to me minor offence if they already have suscribed service and want those subscribed channels on the tuner card or even be part of media centre.

From a legal perspective, if you somehow managed to only access the same channels you have access to on your legal box, it could be argued that you weren't breaking the law, just your contract with the cable company, which states that you can't connect unauthorised equipment to their network.

[the-cable-guy]

Originally Posted by Stuart C

You assume he meant the daily newspaper.. He could have meant a mirror.

roflmao

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Originally Posted by supremus

No effect whatsoever, which is why I personally have no problem with people doing it. I find it far more offensive that people smoke, speed or drive drunk, effectively putting other people at risk.

The cable companies even benefit to an extent, considering that most dodgy box owners appear to have a minimum subscription, so it might not even be in their best interest to drive them to Sky instead, which seems like the better option, if you're going to pay full price anyway.

From a legal perspective, if you somehow managed to only access the same channels you have access to on your legal box, it could be argued that you weren't breaking the law, just your contract with the cable company, which states that you can't connect unauthorised equipment to their network.

by law your not allowed to do this as your contract with VM is a legally binding document.

[Nugget]

Originally Posted by Stuart C

You assume he meant the daily newspaper.. He could have meant a mirror.

Oi! You've seen my face - why on earth would I look in a mirror

[supremus]

Originally Posted by the-cable-guy

by law your not allowed to do this as your contract with VM is a legally binding document.

But breaking your contract would surely be a civil offence, not a criminal one.

[TraxData]

Originally Posted by supremus

No effect whatsoever, which is why I personally have no problem with people doing it. I find it far more offensive that people smoke, speed or drive drunk, effectively putting other people at risk.

The cable companies even benefit to an extent, considering that most dodgy box owners appear to have a minimum subscription, so it might not even be in their best interest to drive them to Sky instead, which seems like the better option, if you're going to pay full price anyway.

From a legal perspective, if you somehow managed to only access the same channels you have access to on your legal box, it could be argued that you weren't breaking the law, just your contract with the cable company, which states that you can't connect unauthorised equipment to their network.

No effect what so ever? tell that to people who have had bills for PPV they have not watched, filmflex movies they have not ordered...all because some *aherm* has a cloned box and is ordering everything (including VOD purchases)

It also has an effect on the bandwith, so where you got ur "no effect" from is beyond me?