SKY VS Virgin Media

[andygrif]

Originally Posted by Kaychsea

Might that have something to do with the £299 people have to splash out on the box?

Perhaps you should have a look here:

http://www.sky.com/portal/site/skyco...ipment/skyplus

£99, not £299. From what I can gather, there's always deals to be done too; I wanted one, refused to pay the (then) £50 they were asking, so said I was going to buy a FreeView box instead. They offered it for nothing!

Originally Posted by Toto

I have a feeling that Sky would want to hurt VM's subscriber base, so don't be too surprised if you see some fantastic deals available soon for ex-VM subscribers.

I was wondering about that too. There was some quite serious talk from people who seemed to know what they were talking about last month, saying that the subscription to use Sky+ was going to be dropped on Feb 12th. It didn't happen...maybe they're holding out until next week as a carrot to dangle in front of those thining of changing suppliers.

Originally Posted by Downloads

As said previously, people who don't have Virgin have voted in the poll, how can that be representitive????? It's probably nearer 5 than 15.

And as I said previously, perhaps you missed it, another poll elsewhere (which offers 'not a Virgin subscriber' as an option) comes out within similar figures. However, none of these, as I have also said, are scientific and I don't know if 15% is correct, just like you have no idea if 5% is correct.

In addition, I think you're not really crediting people with much intelligence - even if Sky subscribers have voted, they would probably have done so after putting themselves in the position of being a VM customer. Not everyone sees things in black and white only.

Of course, should I want to be really picky too, I could suggest that the number of vehmently pro-Virgin posters on here mixed with the prolification of VM employees have all voted with the majority, so their votes mean that the switch to Sky figure is being kept artificially low! Fortunately, I'm not that picky.

[Downloads]

Originally Posted by andygrif

In addition, I think you're not really crediting people with much intelligence - even if Sky subscribers have voted, they would probably have done so after putting themselves in the position of being a VM customer. Not everyone sees things in black and white only.

Of course, should I want to be really picky too, I could suggest that the number of vehmently pro-Virgin posters on here mixed with the prolification of VM employees have all voted with the majority, so their votes mean that the switch to Sky figure is being kept artificially low! Fortunately, I'm not that picky.

No most of what you have said in that para is totally irrelevant. The only way a true poll can be done is taking a count of people who actually have Virgin services. What Sky customers think or whether they think they can put themselves into the position of a Virgin customer has nothing to do with it. It's not i don't credit people with intelligence, it's just for the sake of this poll, in a proper count, their opinion wouldn't count. Of course they are more than welcome to vote as it's just a point of interest on these forums. Just it has no relevance on what will happen as when the numbers of subscribes comes in, in a year's time, as they won't have lost the viewers in droves like one person said and the 15% figure won't hold up. Anyone can quote me on that!

Being an R&I Officer, l would get slated if i did such crap research as that.

I could counter the fact that due to this site's legacy, there is bound to be a lot of anti Virgin people on here.

The poll isn't representitive.

[andygrif]

Originally Posted by Downloads

No most of what you have said in that para is totally irrelevant.

Thank you for your constructive critique.

Originally Posted by Downloads

The only way a true poll can be done is taking a count of people who actually have Virgin services.

OK, then perhaps as you're so keen to prove your point, you could contact the 50-odd people who voted in favour of switching suppliers, ask them if they have Sky, then take them out of the equation.

I think I've made it pretty clear at every opportunity that the statements I was contributing were IF the poll IS representative. I am fully aware that it is not scientific research, but there is still the possibility that the actual result MIGHT be the same. You don't know either, beucase you haven't done the research either.

So whilst trying to discredit my theories based on the only actual information that either of us possess, you're so sure that the result will be about 5% - yet you reach this conclusion without any sort of barometer of mood whatsoever - which is second only in accuracy to the crystal ball, which I presume is also sitting on your desk.

Let's face it, what you're expressing is an opinion - and that's good, I like opinions too. However what I was doing was putting forward an hypothesis of what the impacts could be if 15% was correct. You'll also notice the same sums based on 10% loss and again for 5% loss.

For the final time - I am not stating that the poll is accurate, but it is the best barometer of customers' feelings that we have available to us. When someone that can produce something more accurate, we can revisit the discussion then - but I'm starting to get a little dizzy from going round in circles now.

[Tod]

Originally Posted by andygrif

For the final time - I am not stating that the poll is accurate, but it is the best barometer of customers' feelings that we have available to us. When someone that can produce something more accurate, we can revisit the discussion then - but I'm starting to get a little dizzy from going round in circles now.

That is all it is, as you say a barometer of feelings. How many people will really go through the hassle of changing provider for 1 channel? More than that, in most cases 1 program on 1 channel??

Loads of people have "feelings" over this, but will they do anything...I doubt they will.

[valor]

It is not possible to get Sky where I live which is a block of Multi story Flats, we are not allowed to put Sky Dish outside.
The only thing I would miss is SKY1 as I am also a big fan of Stargate SG1 and Atlantis...

[AndyCambs]

Originally Posted by valor

It is not possible to get Sky where I live which is a block of Multi story Flats, we are not allowed to put Sky Dish outside.
The only thing I would miss is SKY1 as I am also a big fan of Stargate SG1 and Atlantis...

A lot of the programmes seem to be repeated on Sci Fi - and endlessly on Sky One.

[arcamalpha2004]

Originally Posted by Downloads

It's a close run thing this one isn't it lol

It is indeed, but not represented by the opinion of the country as a whole, which is what really matters.
Also, it is only a few days since the statement, still plenty of time for a move from either camp of voters.
These polls are worthless imo.
You only have to look at political polls for example to see how fickle people are

[arcamalpha2004]

Originally Posted by TV Boy

When England win the World Cup

When the americans put a man on the moon.

[arcamalpha2004]

Originally Posted by Downloads

You wouldn't get asked about a hypothetical poll in this situation. And if you were asked by a surveyor, if you said you you were currently with Sky, they wouldn't carry on asking you questions.

I can't argue with you about whether you can or can't, you quite obviously can, the figures just won't show a true representation of the people who will be leaving (if such a small poll could be seen as being representitive).

Sky ought to worry though, if they remove Sky channels from NTL, i'm going to leave Sky and sign up with NTL

I am sure that sky will miss your subs.
All I can say is that you must be very loyal to pay the same money for less, ok, there is the 6 month rebate promised by VM, but I cant help to think that you would get more than a £60 rebate if you called retentions?

[arcamalpha2004]

Originally Posted by RS100

I have a V+HD cable receiver & Sky HD thomson receiver i find that the pic qulity on SD channels and BBC HD is much better on the Sky HD satellite receiver than via cable,

Have you done an " a vs b " comparison using the same cables?
IE, if you have had to turn off one to watch the other, or you have a different brand cable on one box than the other this can be an influence.
Cables can make a difference.
However, if that is your conclusion then fair enough

[arcamalpha2004]

Originally Posted by Kaychsea

Might that have something to do with the £299 people have to splash out on the box?

Sorry kaychsea, the sky+ box is not £299.
The Sky HD one may be.
I have the sky+ box, cost me £89 but I more or less made that money back through the half price tv package for three months.

[Jacquesb]

What I want is the freedom to choose and I am quite prepared to pay for the channels I or my family want to watch. It is not acceptable that Branson and Murdoch flex their muscles and that the customers suffer the consequences.
I would like to see OffTell or whatever it is called these days having the power to intervene and obliging the cable & satellite carriers to deliver all the available channels on as many platforms as possible. They can charge what they like and we can choose what we want to watch.

[arcamalpha2004]

Originally Posted by Downloads

No most of what you have said in that para is totally irrelevant. The only way a true poll can be done is taking a count of people who actually have Virgin services. What Sky customers think or whether they think they can put themselves into the position of a Virgin customer has nothing to do with it. It's not i don't credit people with intelligence, it's just for the sake of this poll, in a proper count, their opinion wouldn't count. Of course they are more than welcome to vote as it's just a point of interest on these forums. Just it has no relevance on what will happen as when the numbers of subscribes comes in, in a year's time, as they won't have lost the viewers in droves like one person said and the 15% figure won't hold up. Anyone can quote me on that!

Being an R&I Officer, l would get slated if i did such crap research as that.

I could counter the fact that due to this site's legacy, there is bound to be a lot of anti Virgin people on here.

The poll isn't representitive.

Ok, I have virgin services as you put it, I have the broadband, I am with sky for tv, I have bt for the phone, so I am entitled to vote by your definition?
However, I used the intelligence I have and felt that after looking at the question on the poll that I had no need to vote because I already have sky.
And as for your second to last paragraph there are also a lot of anti-sky, so it could be said that them people would still vote to keep VM even if the reality is different, after all, at the end of the day who is to know?
I agree 100% with your last paragraph though

[IWKYzerocool]

Not sure if this has already been mentioned but there are quite a few pages on this thread.

But Virgin Media have sent a message to us all it is on this link

http://allyours.virginmedia.com/fairplay/index.html

[macsense]

Do you know NTL/Virgin Media cap your download speed if you're using P2P softwares?

I've BT line 2mb max download speed 220kB/s
also NTL/Virgin 2mb max download speed 70-80kB/s

I rang techincal support team and they had told me that they set the limit when users were using P2P.